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Posted May 24, 2021
I agree, it's clear that the problem wasn't just poor management and rushed deadlines, it was an unresolved identity crisis resulting in a hodge podge of different elements that excels at almost nothing.

I gave it a chance cause I paid for it and I like to get what I can out of what I paid for, so I ended up doing most of the quests in the game and finally finished what is, as far as I can tell, one of the least bleak endings.

And in retrospect, I'm not really sure what the heck I played. At times, it felt like it was trying to be an open world RPG, but it was too shallow and constrained to excel at that. At times, it felt like it was trying to be a linear, on-the-rails action adventure game, but the scattershot RPG elements were so unwieldy and underdeveloped, they detracted from the "adventure game" aspect of it.

This game feels like it is determined to do some weird avant garde thing where it breaks the 4th wall and does life imitating art by having the game itself make big promises and turn out to be disappointing and bleak, in much the same way that the game's setting is. I would say it's intentional, but I know it's because CDPR is exactly the kind of corpo it's pretending it's interested in dunking on.

I don't even know what else to say, that's confusingly shallow it is. The most generous thing I can say about it is is that it's a game with lots of different areas of potential that failed spectacularly in all of them. At its best moments, I felt like something was holding it back. Like it couldn't quite get there. This is where the avant garde 4th wall thing comes in because it felt very much like the shallowness of consuming, where it leaves you feeling empty in the end. Which again, I don't think was intentional. I think it's just a predictable irony waiting to happen of a RL corpo doing a criticism of corpos.
Posted May 30, 2021
Witcher 3 is an RPG in every sense of the word. I'm baffled to hear people say it isn't. For me an RPG consists of three basic fundamentals:

1) Story (plot,etc.) Without a compelling story that clearly lays out goals and targets with a bunch of surprises and twists (in secondary goals and quests) along the way in meeting those goals, it cannot be an RPG.

2) Character advancement in various attributes and skills. Witcher 3 offers character progression and advancement in droves. NPC character involvement and development, as well--making you feel as if you know the people in the game. No shortage of that in Witcher 3.

3) A quality production in terms or writing, art direction, music and sound suitable to keep me enthralled and entertained for up to hundreds of hours of play. This is what's missing from a lot of pretend RPGs today trying to adopt the "5e rule set" and so on. Witcher 3 is a masterpiece in all three categories, imo.

With all due respect to JakobFel's opinion above, I think a computer RPG should be a lot more than just a table-top game clone...;) If I want a table-top game I'll play a table-top game, etc. I expect a lot more from a computer RPG. That's just me.

I never bought CP2077. Thought about it and was tempted a couple of times, but what scared me off was the trailers and the demo. The basic content of the game turned me completely off--and it didn't hurt that I loathe rap "music", too *cough*...;) Night City seems akin to living out of a trash bin and looks like nowhere I would ever want to be or live. The content of the game I found to be fairly repulsive.

All of the bugs and the negative posts about the game were completely secondary to my just being turned off by the game itself. It simply did not appeal to me enough to buy it. As well, it's become obvious that the quality of the game doesn't even compare with W3 in scope, art, sound and music--story, NPCs, you name it.

Mainly, I was just very disappointed with CDPR. It looked like a crass cash-grab GTA clone, and, yes, I could never buy GTA, either, because the content was equally repellant. I still have a hard time believing that the company capable of Witcher 3 put out CPunk'77 as its next game. Yes, it sold terrifically well--mostly in pre-orders--but not because of the game itself--it was because CDPR had built an incredible reputation for itself with its Witcher games! Most of that CDPR customer good will is now gone, I would say. Whatever its next game will be I can guarantee it will bring in a small fraction of the pre-ordering that CDPR got with Punk'77.

Who knows if CDPR will ever do another AAA game?...;) They may spend the next five years trying to fix Punk'77--but I hope not--because by then even the most diehard fans of Punk will have moved on. I sincerely hope the company learns its lessons because what happened with Punk is not anything CDPR needs to repeat. I'd love to see a Witcher 4 3x the size of the Witcher 3...;) If CDPR will develop for the high-end PC first and bring in the consoles in much later they might be able to restore themselves. But I don't know--we may have seen the zenith of CDPR in Witcher 3. Hope not--but then I didn't think CDPR would ever do something like Punk, either.
Posted June 03, 2021
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waltc: Witcher 3 is an RPG in every sense of the word. I'm baffled to hear people say it isn't. For me an RPG consists of three basic fundamentals:

1) Story (plot,etc.) Without a compelling story that clearly lays out goals and targets with a bunch of surprises and twists (in secondary goals and quests) along the way in meeting those goals, it cannot be an RPG.

2) Character advancement in various attributes and skills. Witcher 3 offers character progression and advancement in droves. NPC character involvement and development, as well--making you feel as if you know the people in the game. No shortage of that in Witcher 3.

3) A quality production in terms or writing, art direction, music and sound suitable to keep me enthralled and entertained for up to hundreds of hours of play. This is what's missing from a lot of pretend RPGs today trying to adopt the "5e rule set" and so on. Witcher 3 is a masterpiece in all three categories, imo.

With all due respect to JakobFel's opinion above, I think a computer RPG should be a lot more than just a table-top game clone...;) If I want a table-top game I'll play a table-top game, etc. I expect a lot more from a computer RPG. That's just me.

I never bought CP2077. Thought about it and was tempted a couple of times, but what scared me off was the trailers and the demo. The basic content of the game turned me completely off--and it didn't hurt that I loathe rap "music", too *cough*...;) Night City seems akin to living out of a trash bin and looks like nowhere I would ever want to be or live. The content of the game I found to be fairly repulsive.

All of the bugs and the negative posts about the game were completely secondary to my just being turned off by the game itself. It simply did not appeal to me enough to buy it. As well, it's become obvious that the quality of the game doesn't even compare with W3 in scope, art, sound and music--story, NPCs, you name it.

Mainly, I was just very disappointed with CDPR. It looked like a crass cash-grab GTA clone, and, yes, I could never buy GTA, either, because the content was equally repellant. I still have a hard time believing that the company capable of Witcher 3 put out CPunk'77 as its next game. Yes, it sold terrifically well--mostly in pre-orders--but not because of the game itself--it was because CDPR had built an incredible reputation for itself with its Witcher games! Most of that CDPR customer good will is now gone, I would say. Whatever its next game will be I can guarantee it will bring in a small fraction of the pre-ordering that CDPR got with Punk'77.

Who knows if CDPR will ever do another AAA game?...;) They may spend the next five years trying to fix Punk'77--but I hope not--because by then even the most diehard fans of Punk will have moved on. I sincerely hope the company learns its lessons because what happened with Punk is not anything CDPR needs to repeat. I'd love to see a Witcher 4 3x the size of the Witcher 3...;) If CDPR will develop for the high-end PC first and bring in the consoles in much later they might be able to restore themselves. But I don't know--we may have seen the zenith of CDPR in Witcher 3. Hope not--but then I didn't think CDPR would ever do something like Punk, either.
That's not what defines an RPG. I've come to consider it what I call "RPGlite" (inspired by the term "Roguelite"), some of the game is RPG but it's not directly an RPG. A masterpiece, yes, but it's less of an RPG than Cyberpunk is; that's my point. You're right in saying it shouldn't directly clone ALL of a tabletop RPG's features but it needs to at least port over the core features, especially since this game is based off of a classic tabletop RPG. The ability to create and customize a character, the ability to progress said character's abilities as they progress through a story. The player freedom to choose how they progress through the story. Those are a couple of the core traits of what makes an RPG truly an RPG.

If you're not a fan of dirtier, more realistic environments and a rather pessimistic view of the future, then yeah, this game is definitely not your type of game. It's special, in my opinion, because the entire Cyberpunk franchise practically predicted where we are in the 2020s, way back in the 80s when it first released. This game translates a lot of that prophetic prediction over and is extremely relevant to modern society. It's essentially a message that our current path is not the right one; if we don't stop the me first attitude, the vain obsession with self and body modification and our over-reliance on technology and hypercapitalism, we will end up just like the denizens of Night City, maybe even worse. But I digress, it's a fantastic world but if you're not a fan of that sort of thing, I get it.

I'd say the game's writing is easily on par with The Witcher 3, at least in the core story. It's so much more than some GTA rip. An open world game taking place in an urban environment doesn't automatically make it a GTA clone. As for CDPR's player goodwill and whether or not they'll make another AAA title... that's a given. Give it time, the haters'll fizzle out. Given the fact that their next game is another Witcher title, I guarantee it'll sell well. The reason this game sold so well was mostly due to the hype, not just because of CDPR's reputation. If you check out the CD Projekt investor strategy video, you'll get an overview of the company's plans going forward. They're aiming to expand their teams so that they can work on both franchises simultaneously, while also expanding them into other media (such as the upcoming Cyberpunk anime due on Netflix). The state of this game undoubtedly pushed them back on this plan a bit but they said that the aim is to initiate this plan starting next year. The next Witcher game has been in preproduction, at least, for over a year now. I'd say we'll probably get that game somewhere around 2023 or 2024, with the next Cyberpunk game shortly after that. Given what they've learned from this experience, I'm guessing the sequel will be even better.
Posted June 08, 2021
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Abishia: it fails,

to have Story
to have a interesting ending
to be a racing game
to be a shooter
to be a fashion game
to be a Crafting game
to be a RPG
to be a Porn game
It's not a Failure as a Shooter OP however you hit the nail with every other point though
Posted June 19, 2021
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Abishia: it fails,

to have Story
to have a interesting ending
to be a racing game
to be a shooter
to be a fashion game
to be a Crafting game
to be a RPG
to be a Porn game
It was a great success for redpilling the crowd.
Don't trust a corporation. The oligarchs always work against you. They will do insider trading on 9/11.
They will make up plandemics to advance their agenda of total control and bio-digital convergence.
See the world for what it is. CDPR made a trash game to rip you all off.
Posted June 19, 2021
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TencentInvestor: It was a great success for redpilling the crowd.
Don't trust a corporation. The oligarchs always work against you. They will do insider trading on 9/11.
They will make up plandemics to advance their agenda of total control and bio-digital convergence.
See the world for what it is. CDPR made a trash game to rip you all off.
This really made my day.
Thanks pal, I really needed a laugh.
Posted June 19, 2021
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TencentInvestor: It was a great success for redpilling the crowd.
Don't trust a corporation. The oligarchs always work against you. They will do insider trading on 9/11.
They will make up plandemics to advance their agenda of total control and bio-digital convergence.
See the world for what it is. CDPR made a trash game to rip you all off.
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Nephilim88: This really made my day.
Thanks pal, I really needed a laugh.
Is human suffering funny to you?
You should apply at a major corporation then.
Posted June 19, 2021
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Nephilim88: This really made my day.
Thanks pal, I really needed a laugh.
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TencentInvestor: Is human suffering funny to you?
You should apply at a major corporation then.
"Human suffering" because of an uncomplete game? Oh my God please stop, I'm pissing myself! XD XD XD
Posted June 20, 2021
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TencentInvestor: Is human suffering funny to you?
You should apply at a major corporation then.
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Nephilim88: "Human suffering" because of an uncomplete game? Oh my God please stop, I'm pissing myself! XD XD XD
I didn't mean the trash software CDPR threw out before "Covid Christmas" in particular.
I meant the anti-human culture behind big business. Neoliberalism and the globalist oligarchy that rules this world.
You have been conditioned to desire your own enslavement. You cannot understand what Cyberpunk is even about.
Yes, do piss yourself. It's all you are good at.
Posted June 20, 2021
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Nephilim88: "Human suffering" because of an uncomplete game? Oh my God please stop, I'm pissing myself! XD XD XD
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TencentInvestor: I didn't mean the trash software CDPR threw out before "Covid Christmas" in particular.
I meant the anti-human culture behind big business. Neoliberalism and the globalist oligarchy that rules this world.
You have been conditioned to desire your own enslavement. You cannot understand what Cyberpunk is even about.
Yes, do piss yourself. It's all you are good at.
Lol do you really believe the crap you're spewing?
You're making a much bigger deal out of a minor thing. There are far worse problems in the world (like actually bad corporations influencing people's lives in poorer countries in all the wrong ways), and this is not the place to discuss them. Peace out.
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Posted June 20, 2021
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Nephilim88: this is not the place to discuss them.
And that's why I have stopped responding to anything this dude says, even if it would be somewhat related to video games. They're here to antagonise. I'm here for vidya.

There's a time and place for everything, but there's also a bad time and place for everything. People have difficulties to figure out the latter.
Posted June 23, 2021
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Nephilim88: this is not the place to discuss them.
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frogthroat: And that's why I have stopped responding to anything this dude says, even if it would be somewhat related to video games. They're here to antagonise. I'm here for vidya.

There's a time and place for everything, but there's also a bad time and place for everything. People have difficulties to figure out the latter.
Logic is your enemy, I see.

Sprichst du auch den * mit?
Was für ein miserables, selbstgerechtes Wesen du sein musst.
Lass dich "impfen". Gentherapie und Hirnchips in ein paar Jahren werden kein Verlust für dich sein.
Posted June 23, 2021
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Nephilim88: this is not the place to discuss them.
Case in point, I am apparently a miserable, self-righteous creature, I should let myself be "vaccinated" (no idea why in quotes -- but that's a good advice nonetheless) and apparently gene therapy and microchips in the brain will not be a waste on me in a couple of years.

Also, no idea why they switched to German.
Posted June 26, 2021
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Nephilim88: this is not the place to discuss them.
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frogthroat: Case in point, I am apparently a miserable, self-righteous creature, I should let myself be "vaccinated" (no idea why in quotes -- but that's a good advice nonetheless) and apparently gene therapy and microchips in the brain will not be a waste on me in a couple of years.

Also, no idea why they switched to German.
Really makes you think why he/she is still allowed to write on the forums... huh.
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