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invenio: I think the issue is that come next year,... no Windows 7 system should be connected to the internet due to lack of security updates. Legacy systems without continued security updates should be actively discouraged (windows or otherwise). This is basic IT security.

As for gaming, almost all systems are connected to the internet and almost no gamers will purchase continued support through microsoft ($50 the first year, then $100 the 2nd, and $200 for the 3rd). Hence, actively supporting Windows 7 is a bad idea.

I don't have anything personally against Windows 7 (that's what we use at work). I am against insecure systems as these are often used for more global spam and hacking attacks (which is bad for the entire community).
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Whereaminow25: We should still have Win 7 Support for this game though. It is not like it won't kill them to do a little extra work to make it happen.
My point is no we shouldn't. By the time 2077 comes out, there will be no further security patches for Windows 7. Hence, unless you plan to install from a DVD disk and not have your computer connected to the internet, you should not be running Windows 7.

It's pretty outlandish to expect a company to develop software for a platform that the actual maker of the platform does not even support!
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invenio: I think the issue is that come next year,... no Windows 7 system should be connected to the internet due to lack of security updates. Legacy systems without continued security updates should be actively discouraged (windows or otherwise). This is basic IT security.
Just... just stop. If you do not understand the issue - do not make a fool of yorself in public.
Pretty please.

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invenio: I don't have anything personally against Windows 7 (that's what we use at work). I am against insecure systems as these are often used for more global spam and hacking attacks (which is bad for the entire community).
As somebody who have Net programmers as friends, I can asure you that a qualified specialist (i.e. professional hacker) is laughing at your "secure" systems.
There are no "secure connections', there are only lack of professionals interested in YOUR data.
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invenio: I think the issue is that come next year,... no Windows 7 system should be connected to the internet due to lack of security updates. Legacy systems without continued security updates should be actively discouraged (windows or otherwise). This is basic IT security.
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Yunipuma: Just... just stop. If you do not understand the issue - do not make a fool of yorself in public.
Pretty please.

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invenio: I don't have anything personally against Windows 7 (that's what we use at work). I am against insecure systems as these are often used for more global spam and hacking attacks (which is bad for the entire community).
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Yunipuma: As somebody who have Net programmers as friends, I can asure you that a qualified specialist (i.e. professional hacker) is laughing at your "secure" systems.
There are no "secure connections', there are only lack of professionals interested in YOUR data.
I won't type a chapter on Windows 7 not being supported and why you should upgrade. You can read this article as it talks about how there will be no security patches and without those patches you system will be vulnerable to newly found threats.

https://www.techradar.com/how-to/how-to-prepare-for-windows-7-end-of-life

Moreover, Microsoft strongly recommends upgrading as well. The developer is telling you that their software is out of date and should be upgraded as it will not be secure. What more information do you really need?
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Yunipuma: Just... just stop. If you do not understand the issue - do not make a fool of yorself in public.
Pretty please.

As somebody who have Net programmers as friends, I can asure you that a qualified specialist (i.e. professional hacker) is laughing at your "secure" systems.
There are no "secure connections', there are only lack of professionals interested in YOUR data.
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invenio: I won't type a chapter on Windows 7 not being supported and why you should upgrade. You can read this article as it talks about how there will be no security patches and without those patches you system will be vulnerable to newly found threats.

https://www.techradar.com/how-to/how-to-prepare-for-windows-7-end-of-life

Moreover, Microsoft strongly recommends upgrading as well. The developer is telling you that their software is out of date and should be upgraded as it will not be secure. What more information do you really need?
Why don't you do that and stop complaining about us wanting WIN 7 SUPPORT for CYBERPUNK ! ! ! ! !
@Whereaminow25: seems like your only way to communicate with others is to yell at them. try to learn how a discussion works. (small hint: it has something to do with arguments)


invenio you are right, after EoL Win 7 is no longer a secure OS, but Yunipuma is right too. If a professional hacker or hacker group really wants to attack your (private) system you barely have any chance to prevent this no matter what os you use(maybe a monolithic OS like Unix could make it difficult). It will take sometime until there is a relevant differance in security between win 7 and win 10. Most attacks will focus win10 because more people use it, but microsoft will fix this security holes for win10 rather fast. Security holes for Win 7 won't be fixed(as long as you don't pay microsoft an extra fee). Over time win 7 will became an insecure OS. In the end this doesn't matter, because slowly software developer will stop supporting win 7. For software like Firefox it will take years until they stop supporting win7, but for triple A games, it will be a much faster development. It has happen in the past with other os and it will happen with win 7. Thats the way of time.

It is rather obvious, that CDPR will not add Win 7 as a supported OS. You asking for Win 7 support since nearly 2 weeks, no reaction from CDPR.(don't want to say i told you so, but i literally did)
I hope you find a way to play Cyberpunk on Win 7(and linux), but i am realistic, the chance for an official win 7 support is practically zero.
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Whereaminow25: We should still have Win 7 Support for this game though. It is not like it won't kill them to do a little extra work to make it happen.
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invenio: My point is no we shouldn't. By the time 2077 comes out, there will be no further security patches for Windows 7. Hence, unless you plan to install from a DVD disk and not have your computer connected to the internet, you should not be running Windows 7.

It's pretty outlandish to expect a company to develop software for a platform that the actual maker of the platform does not even support!
It's pretty outlandish to force you into a spyware OS like Windows 10, when there are alternatives like Linux. But hey, thats just my opinion. The only thing that locks a game down to Windows 10 is DirectX 12, or the UWP platform. Vulkan runs fine on my rig.
Post edited June 25, 2019 by UltraComboTV
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invenio: I won't type a chapter on Windows 7 not being supported and why you should upgrade. You can read this article as it talks about how there will be no security patches and without those patches you system will be vulnerable to newly found threats.
So, when given the possibility of a malware infection (which will first need to get past my router, software firewall, AV software, massively locked down web browser and paranoid computer usage habits), your answer is to say "screw it" and infect yourself deliberately?

Because make no mistake, Win10 *is* malware. It sends your usage habits home. It quite possibly sends actual data back to the mothership (as opposed to "only" metadata). It makes changes to your system without you having a say in it. It can randomly render your machine inoperable through no action of your own. And to top it off, one of the ways in which it installed itself actually started when you clicked the "close" button on the window.
Yes, Microsoft is collecting user data. Google, amazon, ebay, facebook, twitter, twitch, ... they all do it. You can try to minimize it, but it's close to impossible to completely avoid it. I don't think invenio means malware. I guess he means that the average user risks to become part of a bot network for example. You will be able to avoid this (for a very long time) using a good firewall, av software and simply being attentive, but there is large majority of users which don't do that(i mean spam and pop ups exist for a reason, there are people who fall for it). I think he means that this people should change to win 10 for security reason and because it doesn't matter for them if win 10 is malware, they don't protect there personal data properly anyway.
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invenio: I won't type a chapter on Windows 7 not being supported and why you should upgrade. You can read this article as it talks about how there will be no security patches and without those patches you system will be vulnerable to newly found threats.
Once again - your "patched" Win10 is NOT secure against PROFESSIONALS. And I for myself fear only the professionals.

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invenio: Moreover, Microsoft strongly recommends upgrading as well. The developer is telling you that their software is out of date and should be upgraded as it will not be secure. What more information do you really need?
Do you know what's so funny there? Let me explain.
We have a game basically about struggle against corporate tyrrany. And on official forum for said game a man starts to tell "do it because a corporation reccomends it"!
Simply hilarious!
The whole concept of cyberpunk as anti-utopia in sci-fi literature is build on assumption that people voluntary give up their freedom in exchange for conveniences. I see it is no longer a simple sci-fi assumption - it is reality.
Welcome to the future!

P.S.
If CD Project RED do not wants my money - that's fine with me. They make their own decisions and I make mine.
Each one to his own.
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Yunipuma: We have a game basically about struggle against corporate tyrrany. And on official forum for said game a man starts to tell "do it because a corporation reccomends it"!
Simply hilarious!
The whole concept of cyberpunk as anti-utopia in sci-fi literature is build on assumption that people voluntary give up their freedom in exchange for conveniences. I see it is no longer a simple sci-fi assumption - it is reality.
But you use Win 7, which in fact is a Microsoft product, which in fact is a large corperation. So it's only a very small rebellion.
I do understand your argument that microsofts recommendation is no a strong argument for updating, because they do this for there own good.
win 7 is losing MS support next year, I don't blame CDPR. same with Galaxy 2 - it's only supported on Win8 and above, so I was disappointed b/c I'm running Win7, but I understand.
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A_B_raxis: But you use Win 7, which in fact is a Microsoft product, which in fact is a large corperation. So it's only a very small rebellion.
Yes, it's small rebellion so far - but it will be getting bigger & bigger when I do not buy XBOX pass for PC & other Micro$oft products.
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A_B_raxis: But you use Win 7, which in fact is a Microsoft product, which in fact is a large corperation. So it's only a very small rebellion.
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Yunipuma: Yes, it's small rebellion so far - but it will be getting bigger & bigger when I do not buy XBOX pass for PC & other Micro$oft products.
Rebel all you want but there is no way Microsoft will continue to support Windows 7 (without paid support) come next year. This should be really clear by now. Also, you seem to be rebelling against the same company that you are trying to support? If you have a problem with Microsoft why are you not using a Mac or Linux?
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invenio: Rebel all you want but there is no way Microsoft will continue to support Windows 7 (without paid support) come next year.
Of course. They want to monopolize the market so they trying to tie people to their service (and Windows 10 is not an OS - it's a service).

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invenio: Also, you seem to be rebelling against the same company that you are trying to support? If you have a problem with Microsoft why are you not using a Mac or Linux?
Because I was quite content with Windows 98 - Windows 7 product line (Win 95 has it's problems and Vista was a crap).
But now I'm NOT trying to support Micro$oft anymore.
This (supporting) will be your job, corporate slave. After all, you seem to love conveniences
far more than freedom.
Post edited June 26, 2019 by Yunipuma
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Yunipuma: This (supporting) will be your job, corporate slave. After all, you seem to love conveniences
far more than freedom.
calm down and try not to insult people.
In my personal opinion there are bigger threads to freedom than microsoft, but that would only lead into a useless politcal discussion(absolutely off topic).

If i read that Bill Gates says that if microsoft wouldn't have lost the mobile os market to google they would be (not only a leading company but) the leading company, i must admit hearing this gives me the creeps.
I don't like monopolies at all, but to be honest the private sector is financially insignificant for Microsoft. All they need is to keep there monopol, if you really want to "rebel" you will have to change to Linux, not buying there products is not of interest for Microsoft.