Why do people ignore the issues with win10 ? Sheep will be sheep I guess. Really, nothing is superior in win10 what win8 or win7 or winxp has. Apart from "security" which is botched on purpose to force an "upgrade".

Windows is the same as calculator. It doesnt need any improvements or upgrades. Just put security on same os and it will work fine. But, problem is win7 isnt as spyware as win10. Thats main reason among other advertisments and forced installations.

And again.
1. please stop insulting people.
2. Are you an expert for os core programming? if not(and i guess your are not) than your not even able to tell if there any improvements between Win 10 and Win 7. The core of Win 10 is more efficent than the win 7 core and provides support for newer technologies, which win 7 or 8 can't (at least not as good as win 10).
3. Would microsoft have been able to create Win10 without spyware, forced updates and so on? Yes, definitely. Does the better core excuse spyware, forced upgrades... ? No. Will Win 10 be the most important operating system for the next few years? Yes, definitely. Is this discussion useless? Absolutely.

You slept too long, wake up! "Microsoft is preparing a new OS: replacing WIndows 10" Win10 is a failure, everyone has already admitted this, and you call it the system of the future :D

Enhanced security updates for Windows 7 - Microsoft has officially extended support for Windows 7 until 2023. Are we from the same planet?

Microsoft pays companies a lot of money to promote their 10th product, this artificial software containment, to make money, what's not clear? There is no innovation here.

I guess you speak about the mysterious multiplatform OS "Core OS". It's barely anything know about "Core OS" exept it will be multiplatform and it will have forced updates. I don't remember anytime Microsoft didn't develop a new OS, this is not an argument but rather an axiom. You talking about an os that atm is in a early stage of development and will take years till release and what the hell makes you think that Microsoft will remove spyware and forced apps on "Core OS". I mean usually it gets worse with every new Microsoft OS and not better. In a couple of years(once Core OS is released) we can talk about Core being the state-of-the-art OS. Until than win 10 will be the most common OS.

Also i don't see what "Core OS" has to do with Win 10 core being more advanced than Win 7 core, on the contrary it support my statement. At first Microsoft stated that there won't be a successor for Win 10 and now they develop a new OS. You simply can't solve every problem with an update. After a while the only useful option is to start from scratch. Does that mean you have to include this unwanted "feature" into the new OS? No, but thats typical Microsoft.

The most common OS => the standard OS. At the moment and for the next years this will be Win 10, if you like it or not. Someday there will be a new OS and people will mostlikly migrate to this OS and this OS will be the standard. Simple fact. At the moment 71% of the gaming pc(steam statistics) use Win 10, than you state "is a failure, everyone has already admitted this". Very impressive for a failure. It is a new Microsoft OS and like nearly every new Microsoft OS before it is in some ways better and in others a complete failure. What a surprise that it is exactly the same as the last decades, nobody expected anything else from Microsoft. To state that it is a failure because it exactly fits the expectations, is a very strange interpretation.


Yes, but only if you pay them.(at least if they didn't change that the last weeks)
first year $25, second $50 and third $100 for Windows Enterprise
first year $50, second $100 and third $200 for Windows 7 Pro

Also, what about Win8.1. That'll still be in mainstream support once Cyberpunk 2077 gets released.

Yes, its UI is terrible. But that requires precisely 1 fix (https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu) and won't get reverted later on. With that out of the way, it's a perfectly usable OS. Provided that you block the relevant "updates" (and this is the last version of Windows for which you can do this), it won't be the informal collaborator that Win10 is.

While MS blocking patches and CPU drivers for Ryzen chips (and later) on Win7 is extremely annoying, it is possibly understandable given that they will officially stop supporting it. Win 8.1, however, hasn't even entered its extended support phase yet. Nice to see that MS break their promises.

(I already know the counter-argument: that Win8.1 has an absolutely tiny userbase. It's a shame that people moved to 10 instead of 8.1 when the deadline for 7 was looming)

If MS have released Windows 11 this year and cyberpunk suddenly becomes win11 exclusive you would start talking same crap how windows 10 is obsolete and that we are all not an experts. :) while we mob would say we want it on win10...

Sure maybe cyberpunk is amazing only bcos win10 some unknown tech but thats least our worries. It would work just fine on older os with some features turned of like raytracing or some other "feature" nobody would care much.

I would be very surprised because Win 10 will be far away from being EOL at the time of the release of Cyberpunk and it will still have the largest userbase(even if they did release a Win 11). So it would be a huge surprise, but Win 7 not being supported isn't. I would be a little angry because the game had Win 10 support at a late time of development, this also is not the case for Win7. I guess you would be the first screaming that Win 10 is obsolete, because you love it that much.

Really impressive what you know. Nobody expect CDPR know the source code, system requirements or even all used "features" of the game, but you know it would run perfectly on older OS. Very impressive Nostradamus. I am especially astonished that you know what everyone else think, because you state that "nobody would care much". It's an amazing ability to speak for every human on the whole world. Tell how you do that, i am very curious about it.

You just described yourself sir.
You are the only one who is flooding this whole thread with your knowledge How do you do it? Stop projecting and learn to read.

Sorry, but how old are you? In my whole life i never heard an adult use the sentence "you just described yourself" in a discussion. Never. Last time i heard this "No you. No you." game was during a dispute between kindergarden children. I starting to doubt you are an adult, in that case could you please comeback after reaching mental adulthood?
flooding with knowledge in opposite to what? obviously wrong statement due to lack of knowledge? wtf?
Sorry, but i think that is the *** statement i ever heard or have read in my whole life. *** beyond all boundaries.
(*** = sorry wasn't able to find a fitting adjective/Noun adjective, that could not have been seen as an insult)

If thats your way of fighting tyrany, than you should simply surrender. It wont change anything. Why don't you try to do something useful? Enage in politics or something like that. Not buying there products and writing in forums, doesn't bother them at all. You try to fight tyrany by doing things which doesn't matter. Sorry, but if its important to you, why do you waste your time writing here, instead of really doing something against it. Empty words won't change anything or even "save the world". You are writing in a forum where at max 100 poeple read this and don't buy MS product, what is not important to MS because they have a diffferant business model. Thats it? Your great revolution? Congratulation. And just for fun, i didn't order anyone, i said please(i do have the right to ask for "whatsoever", because of "freedom of speech"), but just for you i will use "pretty please" next time.

What exactly would be a "good answer" to "you just discribed yourself, sir"? This statement doesn't even really make sense in this context. Should i really answer with a childish "no i am not, you are"? What exactly is the point of discussion you are talking about? Neither do I see any point nor a discussion related to "you just discribed yourself, sir".

No, corporate lover, it's not gonna happen. These old tactics do not work anymore. EVERY ACTION MATTERS, no matter how small. That why your masters are so desparate to kill ANY critic of their spyware.
BTW, you do not know me in real life, so how do you can be sure I'm not doing anything in politics? :)


Yes, it does. You just frantically trying to bury it with your "smart response".
Not gonna happen :)

If your new tactic is to invest time and efford into useless actions nobody cares about instead of more promising actions, than i would suggest you change back to the old tactic. if you really already engage yourself in politics, than i would say invest your time into this. This seems to be the far more promising approach. BTW "every action matter" is a simply stupid phrase, that is logically wrong. An action only matters if the invested expenditure is less from the resulting effect. If not: nice try, but useless. If you really intent to win then you have to make the most of your opportunity, MS will definitely do that. If not your whole rebellion is insignificant. Only being far stronger than your opponent allows you to not invest your ressources efficiently without losing and i don't think you are far stronger than MS and friends. If thats your tactic you have already lost before the war even started. Do you really think that such a half-hearted, thoughtless attempt would be enough to win?

At least its not a stupid response. But honestly you didn't answer one of my questions? What is the point of discussion you are talking about? What would be a good answer to "you just described yourself, sir"? And finally your "yes it does". What exactly is the sense of the answer in the context, you are talking about? I have the feeling you do not know the answers to these questions right?

What exactly is the point of making statement without fact, arguments or explanations?

The vast majority of the time, yes. But we can all hope that our opinion catches, others do the same (abandon Win10) and then in turn convince yet more to drop Win10 pick an OS which doesn't try to position itself as your master.

The only real issue is in being sufficiently persuasive to do this... a trait which I most definitely do not have.