Laughing. My. Ass. Off.

You may well laugh but when they come for you just know I'll be in a corner smiling somewhere.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-apologizes-will-change-assassins-creed-valhalla-ableist-language/1100-6484327/

This is the sort of world you live in now. Get used to bending over the barrel and taking it in the ass.

I don't seek pleasure from offending victims of horrific accidents. A difficult concept for you to grasp.

I hear that this company won't take your shit away if you talk shit unlike steam, so I'm buying all my games from here now on.
"horribly burned in a childhood accident" and is now "terrified someone will see her disfigured face."

How is this offensive or "problematic"? Have the outside world really gone so far into madness you can't even point out the obvious the burn victims are ugly? Sure it's not nice to say out loud but it's fucking obvious.
The modern world loves "equality" but doing so they are at war with beauty because beauty is inherently unequal in nature. A fat out of shape woman is ugly and a 20 yr old tennis player is attractive.

Yeap, it had, and we actually have to thank country you from for it...
So thanks, I guess...

As for Steam vs GOG... It shows why Steam is still the leading platform in the field of digital game sales. Their refund will take around 4 hours from claim to payment, while GOG hasn't returned my money for cp2077 in more than 10 days, at november 2 refund was approved by gog's support team, still no payment has been made(and that without time it took them to acknowledge refund in the first place).
What can I say, 30$ is a good enough price for a hard learnt lesson of not buying anything for them.

There is a difference between empathy and censorship. Look at the whole BLM mess. Pointing guns at innocent people is empathy? Ill be in the corner because thats where the sane people will be. Away from all the idiots jumping through hoops just to prove how "not racist" they are and how "inoffensive" they can act. That link is the reason we cant have interesting video game antagonists anymore. because someone has the RPG equivalent of a fucking peanut allergy.

Have you ever wondered why people want to go back in a time machine? because the world doesnt make fucking sense anymore. We are all consumed by walking around on eggshells its insane. Its your right to be offended but it aint my job to apologise for it.

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Damn. That is easily the most awesome thing Ive ever read on these forums. Actually in any forum at least from long time.

nah, rather typical post-gamergate stuff really

i give it 1 of 5 stars burning with male gamer rage

You're presumably a white guy sitting somewhere in the mostly calm and peaceful UK, where your famous Bobbies run around without guns. Imagine that, yeah? Completely mind-blowingly nuts from an American perspective, of course, which just goes to show how different the cultures really are.

And they are different. You don't have a whole lot of cases in the UK where some fuckhead white guy cop sits on the neck of a black dude for nine minutes, literally executing him in broad daylight, in front of cameras, in front of three fellow cops that just held their dicks and watched a god damn lynching.

Similarly, you don't have a lot of cases where some dipshit vigilante "neighborhood watch" dude gets to kill the fuck out of an unarmed 17 year old kid because said kid was black and wore a hoodie. You don't have a lot of cases where cops play Simon Says at gunpoint and literally execute people if they fail. You don't have a lot of cases where cops shoot people in the back while they're running away. You don't have a lot of cases where a guy is literally executed at point blank range for reaching into a car.

Et cetera, et cetera. America does have these cases. America does have a long history of not treating black people as human beings. MLK was killed some 50 years ago. Seems like a long time, and quite a lot has happened since, but culture changes rather slowly, particularly in conservative groups. You're telling me that you know for a fact exactly what situation black people across the US are finding themselves in? Really?

You're quite right that there is a fair bit of hysteria and opportunism in some of the BLM stuff you see around the world. There's a fair bit of "I failed, could be because I sucked but it is easier to blame others for being racist, so obviously racism is the only explanation! BLM! BLM!" going around, there absolutely is. So what? Does that make the core issue irrelevant?

Are men's rights made irrelevant just because a lot of chauvinist garbage are jumping onto that issue? Does any number of Sargons or Computing Forevers or whatever else plonker you want to mention make the issue of extremely biased child custody practices irrelevant? Of course not.

Yes, the representation thing does get tiresome very fast and it generally trends towards being silly. Frankly, I hate all that quota nonsense. I hate when it is decided in advance that so many must be this, so many that. It puts people in boxes, and it promotes an idea of being hired as a token minority quota filler. Putting competence first is not a microaggression.

On the other hand, it does seem that without some conscious effort to look beyond then you do end up with the same grey and boring people that you always use. So it seems to me that maybe all that representation noise isn't exactly unwarranted but merely a bit exaggerated at the moment, and once reality catches up with the screechier elements of that scene then an adjustment will happen.

Same with all the ableism noise that we're hearing today. Ableism is in fact an actual problem but obviously it's not a problem that can be fixed by pretending that all people are equally able at everything. As your improvised comedy on the law has shown us, that just isn't a reasonable assumption. Comedy requires timing, delivery, and an ability to read the room, and I'm sorry to say that your comments lacked all three. But it's okay. We're all people, we all have equal worth, as people, but we simply do not have equal competencies in all things, and that is okay too. Too often, however, people equate lack of competence with lack of worth. And that is what ableism is.

Lastly, you want to go through a time machine? That sounds interesting. Tell me more. What time would you like to go to? The time when women were property that you could just buy? The time when black people were property? That time when selling cancer one package at a time was good business and nobody gave two fucks about all the toxic shit they were releasing into the atmosphere? That time when being into anything other than missionary with the missus was consider batshit perverted and probably a mental disease? How about going back to that time when talking openly about eradicating the scourge of Poles, Jews, homosexuals, and other "lesser peoples" was cool, is that what you're clamoring for?

All joking aside, I do know the feeling of yearning for a simpler time. We learn many things, as we grow older and gain a measure of education, and not all of those things are comforting. Thinking back to a time before we knew and hoping we wouldn't know all the things to be scared of is quite normal. That is why you have that time machine talk. But people don't actually want to go back in time, because the past actually sucked more than the present, and most people that aren't screamingly insane are quite aware.

Go back 50 years, for instance, and you won't be hearing much about modern social issues, but you will be driving those shitty 70's cars, all the hippie shit is going on around you, heavy metal is barely a thing at that point, your girlfriend will take pride in showing everybody that her armpits are bushier than yours, and Cyberpunk 2077 will be a ridiculous 50 years and 1 month away from release. And aint that just a fucking kick in the head?
You really need to read a lot more.

Not sure how this entire thread is now relevant to the Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to 10 December title, but you are touching on a few points which I feel strongly about. I could just shut up and keep quiet, but that would be too trendy with the current fashion of not saying anything which might upset another person. Unless you are talking about the weather in the best British style, you are bound to find somebody that will be offended.

1. George Floyd / BLM - I think we are underestimating the issue of policy brutality in the US. Why are police officers shooting first and asking questions later? Does it have something to do with proliferation of guns across the entire population? Any Tom, Dick and Harry could pull out a gun and shoot them in the face at any point in time? This is not an excuse for police acting as brutally as they did - without a doubt - but does give some context. However if you start talking about gun control in the States, then you are trying to murder a sacred cow. It's a basic freedom. Go figure.

2. Life is not fair. As an example, right now in Belarus in the middle of Europe there is ongoing genocide of own people who decided that 26 years of tyranny from one dictator is enough. There are a number of casualties to date and more than 20 thousand people served jail time over a course of 3 months since August elections. People are beaten to death by police with no retribution or even trial. I am not seeing widespread protests around the world supporting people of Belarus. No Belarussian Lives Matter movement. White police killing and brutally hurting white and occasional non-white citizens - they don't discriminate in Belarus.

3. Talking about redressing the wrongs, South Africa post-apartheid has legalised reverse discrimination. It is called Black Economic Empowerment and Affirmative Action. If you happen not to be black in South Africa right now - good luck to you, your career will more likely than not be very interesting, but not in a good way. Look at where this approach took South Africa economically - state capture, corruption and regular electricity blackouts are some of the more visible side-effects. Does the rest of the world want to reproduce this experience by forcing new form of discrimination to somehow correct the wrongs of the forefathers? If you base your criteria on anything other than talent and ability, this is what you are going to get over time.

Back to Jimbo's point of tolerance - I am also extremely tired of the endless tone of conformism and compliance. We are trying so hard not to offend somebody else with our opinion, that we stopped having any opinions or genuine debates. We also stopped joking because humour by its nature is going to be offensive to someone. We cannot joke just about anything - as it's either racial, sexist, animal cruelty, misogynist etc. Humour used to take a lot of anger and rage away in a peaceful manner - now it's just sitting inside and polarising the societies. Our most tolerant and diverse societies have never been so divided on just about any issue.

None of this is actually "relevant" as far as the game is concerned. If the moderators could be arsed cleaning this nonsense up then I wouldn't bother either, but they apparently cannot, and I just am not very good at that whole "shut up and let the crazy talk dominate the narrative" thing.

Anyway, I agree with your point 1. For us outside of the US, it is very hard to fully grasp the nuance of that issue. It should be pretty obvious that people of color in the US have experienced a level of discrimination for quite a while. And every new incident is going to be interpreted in that light. That is to be expected. Trying to tell them that they're just being babies and objectively this or that is not going to lead anywhere.

On the other hand, it also isn't very easy to properly understand the context from which the police is operating. They're seen as pigs, the enemy, oppressers, corrupt, and their job is to keep order in a country where any interaction with a citizen is potentially an armed confrontation. Further, mental cases are up, social spending is down, and cops get to clean up all the consequences. Of course that's going to affect them. How could it not?

Regarding your point 2, you're quite right that life isn't fair. And you're right that the situation in Belarus deserves outrage, but sadly it's a post-Soviet burp on the border of Russia and there's not a whole lot of Belarusians in the rest of the world, so the situation doesn't get that much coverage. And of course there's the clampdown on foreign journalists too.

The other side of that problem is that Belarus is seemingly a lot more about Uncle Vlad and who he wants as his puppet leader in a country that he is unlikely to accept turning West. As long as Vlad wants Lukashenko for tyrant of Belarus then Lukashenko will stay in power and there's not a whole lot anyone else can do. What the people in Belarus want is clearly not much of a factor.

Regarding point 3, I know somewhere between jack and feces about South Africa. But I'm not for discrimination. If South Africa is actively doing discrimination and it's working out to suck a fair bit then, well, who is really surprised by that? There are some people who want to go into extremes, but those people do not really invalidate the main point. Racism sucks, discrimination sucks.

Finally, regarding tolerance, I reckon you can absolutely express yourself, make jokes, and so on. You can even still make jokes based on stereotypes, if you want, but getting the timing and delivery right to show that you actually understand that it's a joke is important. A lot of Trevor Noah's comedy is based on making fun with African culture. Not stepping on it, not urinating on it, but simply having fun with various observations.

But there's a line. Arguing that other people should be oppressed or hurt is well over the line. Pushing the idea that you can accurately predict a person's individual qualities based on his skin color, race, religion, sexual preference is over the line. And that's why certain stereotype jokes get iffy.

Generally speaking, I reckon that you can pretty much say whatever you want, as long as you don't kick downwards and don't go full dickhead. Obviously this is in the general sense. GOG forums operate under rather stricter limits in order to provide a less aggravating and culture-clashing experience for forum users from extremely different parts of the world. That is perfectly fair, really.

But this is exactly my point. These people are mentally ill and all thats happening is instead of treating them we are indulging in their fantasy. It would be the equivalent of me strapping two car doors to my arms and demanding everyone call me BMW. Would you do it? No why not? because you know I'm not a car. Its that simple. You wouldnt indulge my fantasy and you would tell me to get help. Why is it not the same for transgenders? Why do we indulge their anti science fantasy? They are not women you cannot change your gander its coded into your DNA.

Yet somehow we feel that if we pander to these people and call it "inclusion" it makes for a better world. Look around you and tell me thats the case. They dont care. They just want to complain for the sake of it. Look at the mess that was Kingdom come deliverance. They actually complained about representation in a historically accurate game about Europe in the middle ages. I mean seriously?

This is about free speech this is not about hate speech which doesn't exist. by protecting these people all you are doing is enabling their illness you are treating the symptoms not the cause. it doesn't help that you have these half baked lunatic millenials on Twitter deciding the rules for everyone without consulting them.

It is quite amazing how wrong you end up being when you start out attacking an excessively simplified version of what you think some other group of people believe in.

Yes, the attack helicopter thing is fun, but it really isn't an accurate description of the situation, and you'd realise as much if you bothered studying the issue instead of following some illiterate fools on Twitter and accepting their verdict on gender dysphoria. And further, you keep confusing sex and gender. Like it or not, they don't mean the same thing anymore.

You're right that complaints about representation in Kingdom Come: Deliverance was nonsense, but is that particularly relevant to anything? And of course hate speech does exist, because the law says so. This is no different from a myriad of other abstract concepts invented by humans over the years.

Lastly, like was said a bunch of times, free speech means the government can't prevent you from expressing your ideas. But obviously you're still not allowed to hurt people, you're still not allowed to violate NDAs and such, and you don't get to insist that other people's property must be made available for your use in communicating your ideas. Look into the difference between positive and negative rights.