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Posted November 04, 2020
I have a question, I have ordered a key on mmoga and so far I have not gotten a key did i get scamme or do they send key on the release day? sry if its a dumb question but im new to pc gaming <3
Posted November 04, 2020
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JamiieD96: I have a question, I have ordered a key on mmoga and so far I have not gotten a key did i get scamme or do they send key on the release day? sry if its a dumb question but im new to pc gaming <3
I think you should try to contact them directly. I can see that they have live chat support, or you can email them.

It looks like you do have to wait until Dec. 10th to receive your key. They emphasize the delivery time.
Post edited November 04, 2020 by Fr0z1nDuDe
Posted November 04, 2020
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JamiieD96: I have a question, I have ordered a key on mmoga and so far I have not gotten a key did i get scamme or do they send key on the release day? sry if its a dumb question but im new to pc gaming <3
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Fr0z1nDuDe: I think you should try to contact them directly. I can see that they have live chat support, or you can email them.
ok will do that thanks
Posted November 04, 2020
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JamiieD96: I have a question, I have ordered a key on mmoga and so far I have not gotten a key did i get scamme or do they send key on the release day? sry if its a dumb question but im new to pc gaming <3
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Fr0z1nDuDe: I think you should try to contact them directly. I can see that they have live chat support, or you can email them.

It looks like you do have to wait until Dec. 10th to receive your key. They emphasize the delivery time.
yeah fuck thats what they said too
Posted November 05, 2020
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Jimbo_G: Its actually illegal. Article 10 of the EU human rights act. "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers". This includes the internet.
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toomuchusednames: Please stop :D

You already broke some rules when you replied to me the other day.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001814049-Forum-Code-of-Conduct?product=gog
RULES DO NOT OVERWRITE THE LAW. The article states that unless I am inciting violence or directly trying to bring down the government by unlawful means... I can say anything I want.

So for example if this was a forum about food and I said I hate cabbages or sprouts. You cannot remove my post because it might offend someone who does like them. However if i said that all people who enjoy sprouts should be tied to a cross and shot that would be grounds for removal because I am inciting violence.
Post edited November 05, 2020 by Jimbo_G
Posted November 05, 2020
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Jimbo_G: i see the left wing Nazi forum moderators have deleted the other thread because someone got their feelings hurt. Ever heard of the 1st amendment?
That doesn't apply to a private organization's services. Their site, their rules.
Posted November 05, 2020
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toomuchusednames: Please stop :D

You already broke some rules when you replied to me the other day.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001814049-Forum-Code-of-Conduct?product=gog
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Jimbo_G: RULES DO NOT OVERWRITE THE LAW. The article states that unless I am inciting violence or directly trying to bring down the government by unlawful means... I can say anything I want.

So for example if this was a forum about food and I said I hate cabbages or sprouts. You cannot remove my post because it might offend someone who does like them. However if i said that all people who enjoy sprouts should be tied to a cross and shot that would be grounds for removal because I am inciting violence.
Despite several corrections from more level-headed people, the boy kept insisting that he was in the right.

"IF I KEEP SAYING THE LAW WORKS THE WAY I WANT IT, THAT MAKES IT SO!"

"Now, that's just not how..."

"I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU!"

This continued for several hours.
Posted November 05, 2020
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toomuchusednames: Please stop :D

You already broke some rules when you replied to me the other day.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001814049-Forum-Code-of-Conduct?product=gog
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Jimbo_G: RULES DO NOT OVERWRITE THE LAW. The article states that unless I am inciting violence or directly trying to bring down the government by unlawful means... I can say anything I want.

So for example if this was a forum about food and I said I hate cabbages or sprouts. You cannot remove my post because it might offend someone who does like them. However if i said that all people who enjoy sprouts should be tied to a cross and shot that would be grounds for removal because I am inciting violence.
I'm going to guess that you're taking the absolute piss at this point and just say well played. :-)
Posted November 05, 2020
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LzDK14: Jeez, I think I just had a lawyergazm...
So, hypothetically, if someone kills you on his private grounds, were you'll walk in by your own volition, will it be okay? Well, not for you, obviosly, since you'll be, you know... dead, but for killer. He did it on his private property, so by your logic, it's ok.
What about rapes and maiming?

PS: what were you doing in that copro school of yours? Scrubing floors?
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J Lo: Private property like a house or website can have different rules than a public area. There are also limits to what those rules can be. Killing a man who thinks he can walk around my house in his muddy shoes is too far, but I can still throw his ass out.
Yes, but than again, if you injure him(her), you may face a court hearing about damage repayments, where you'll be defendant. No matter did you throw him out while he was on your property or not.
But than again, different countries have different "stand one's ground" or "my home is my castle" laws.
Post edited November 05, 2020 by LzDK14
Posted November 05, 2020
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LzDK14: Jeez, I think I just had a lawyergazm...
So, hypothetically, if someone kills you on his private grounds, were you'll walk in by your own volition, will it be okay? Well, not for you, obviosly, since you'll be, you know... dead, but for killer. He did it on his private property, so by your logic, it's ok.
What about rapes and maiming?

PS: what were you doing in that copro school of yours? Scrubing floors?
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Arachnarok_Rider: As I recall, the bill of rights is technically a limitation of the rights of the states. It doesn't contain positive rights for the people (meaning a gaurantee that all people have the right to be heard or that all people who want a gun must be given one) but rather rights in a negative sense (meaning that no state must prohibit people from stating their opinion).

And the legal principles regarding free speech in the EU boil down to the same thing. You have freedom of speech, in the sense that government prohibition of speech is largely not allowed, except when it is allowed (see German attitudes towards Holocaust denial, for instance), but obviously you do not suddenly gain ownership over private property that belongs to someone else, so obviously you cannot insist that some private service cannot moderate and must let you say whatever you want, whenever you want.

Also, I'm not even going to comment on your hilariously wonky example of murder on private property, which is criminal law and has nothing whatsoever to do with anything anyone is discussing. I do note your nearly fanatic desire to talk about anything other than the hysterical claim you made in the previous topic.
Yes or no please.
And yeah, if anything is hillarious, that's your statement that any contract between individuals, or individual and public entity, can superseed law. Which copro school you were attending again? Someone may want to ask them to revoke your credentials... Just in case... Since you know, you show so little uderstanding in matters of judical system in general... or common sense really... that it's appauling.
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Jimbo_G: i see the left wing Nazi forum moderators have deleted the other thread because someone got their feelings hurt. Ever heard of the 1st amendment?
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toomuchusednames: Are you and your "friends" going to infiltrate every topic and get them deleted?

We get it already, you are angry, you are salty, you can't get over it. Now get a life, you if someone got feelings hurt.
Deal with it.
Your backhurt brings us JOY!
Post edited November 05, 2020 by LzDK14
Posted November 05, 2020
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J Lo: Private property like a house or website can have different rules than a public area. There are also limits to what those rules can be. Killing a man who thinks he can walk around my house in his muddy shoes is too far, but I can still throw his ass out.
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LzDK14: Yes, but than again, if you injure him(her), you may face a court hearing about damage repayments, where you'll be defendant. No matter did you throw him out while he was on your property or not.
But than again, different countries have different "stand one's ground" or "my home is my castle" laws.
You can't physically injure someone over the internet, and being banned from an internet forum can't physically injure you.

How does removing someone from an internet forum equate to physical assault? It doesn't. You're comparing apples to oranges, and your argument is fruitless.

Your house is your private property, you set the rules. You can remove an unwanted guest from your home if they break your rules. This forum is CDPR's private property, they set the rules. CDPR's mods can remove anyone that breaks the rules. No laws are broken.

Are you trying to tell everyone that in Russia, the laws prevent you from removing unwanted guests from your home? If I enter your home and insult you with every slur in existence, Russian laws prevent you from kicking me out of your home?

This is CDPR's private space. They are paying the bills. This forum is not funded by the Russian Federation.
Post edited November 05, 2020 by Fr0z1nDuDe
Posted November 05, 2020
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Fr0z1nDuDe: ...
Your house is your private property, you set the rules. You can remove an unwanted guest from your home if they break your rules. This forum is CDPR's private property, they set the rules. CDPR's mods can remove anyone that breaks the rules. No laws are broken.
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Maybe in US, but not in EU. And CDPR is an EU company.
Posted November 05, 2020
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Fr0z1nDuDe: ...
Your house is your private property, you set the rules. You can remove an unwanted guest from your home if they break your rules. This forum is CDPR's private property, they set the rules. CDPR's mods can remove anyone that breaks the rules. No laws are broken.
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acaman: Maybe in US, but not in EU. And CDPR is an EU company.
Oh really? There is an unspecified law in the EU that prohibits you, the police, and private security to remove unwanted individuals from your private property. That. Is. Fascinating.
Posted November 05, 2020
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Arachnarok_Rider: As I recall, the bill of rights is technically a limitation of the rights of the states. It doesn't contain positive rights for the people (meaning a gaurantee that all people have the right to be heard or that all people who want a gun must be given one) but rather rights in a negative sense (meaning that no state must prohibit people from stating their opinion).

And the legal principles regarding free speech in the EU boil down to the same thing. You have freedom of speech, in the sense that government prohibition of speech is largely not allowed, except when it is allowed (see German attitudes towards Holocaust denial, for instance), but obviously you do not suddenly gain ownership over private property that belongs to someone else, so obviously you cannot insist that some private service cannot moderate and must let you say whatever you want, whenever you want.

Also, I'm not even going to comment on your hilariously wonky example of murder on private property, which is criminal law and has nothing whatsoever to do with anything anyone is discussing. I do note your nearly fanatic desire to talk about anything other than the hysterical claim you made in the previous topic.
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LzDK14: Yes or no please.
And yeah, if anything is hillarious, that's your statement that any contract between individuals, or individual and public entity, can superseed law. Which copro school you were attending again? Someone may want to ask them to revoke your credentials... Just in case... Since you know, you show so little uderstanding in matters of judical system in general... or common sense really... that it's appauling.
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toomuchusednames: Are you and your "friends" going to infiltrate every topic and get them deleted?

We get it already, you are angry, you are salty, you can't get over it. Now get a life, you if someone got feelings hurt.
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LzDK14: Deal with it.
Your backhurt brings us JOY!
Admitting to be trolling is a great way to make people take you seriously, Elzie. Obviously.

But you thinking, after turning out to have nothing whatsoever on the actual issue we're discussing, that a quick strawman is going to get something done is somewhat depressing. Not surprising, mind you. What else were you going to try, after all?
Posted November 05, 2020
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acaman: Maybe in US, but not in EU. And CDPR is an EU company.
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Fr0z1nDuDe: Oh really? There is an unspecified law in the EU that prohibits you, the police, and private security to remove unwanted individuals from your private property. That. Is. Fascinating.
Now you're simplifying excessively. Sure, the comment they made was not very specific, but too much simplification does not help much.

Generally, you are allowed to defend yourself across the EU, though the specifics depend on the criminal law in each country, and countries do have different criminal laws. There is, to my knowledge, no uniform rule of thumb or general principle that can be applied regarding self defense.

And there are very significant risks involved in the DYI foot-to-ass approach. If you remove someone from your property yourself, rather than having the police do it for you, then you are at risk of being charged with assault. It won't necessarily stick but some countries can indeed have ridiculous ideas about the police having a complete monopoly on use of force.

Suppose the person being removed is struggling against your removal of them? What do you do? The obvious thing is a few good kicks and a punch or two probably wouldn't hurt, but this might make you the aggressor in the situation. Does it sound ridiculous? It does to me as well. But it is what it is.

The point is, the specifics really depend on the criminal law in the specific country, and that can be rather restrictive of what you're allowed to do.
Post edited November 06, 2020 by Arachnarok_Rider
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