Count another point for Team: Blake. When I got my first computer, I was probably, I don't know how old, the original Descent was the first PC game I ever owned, I'm 2 weeks from being 28 years old now, but anyway, I wanted so much to play Doom, but I was still living at home back then and my Grandmother wouldn't let me have Doom. But one of my friends had this game, so he lent me the disks to it and I got it past her. It wasn't nearly as violent as Doom, but it was violent enough, and it was my secret that she didn't know about for a long time. <evil smirk> Blake has place, literally, in the days of my induction on the world of computers and computer games, and as such, I will buy both these games on the day of their release.