almightyfargoth: Right so, echo chamber aside, you're basically saying you're teaching kids to not accept that other people different than them exist and can exist. Everything must be locked into canon entirely because gateguard.
You're
pretending like you're teaching them morality.
I lived through the 1980s too man and played tabletop at it's inception, and it wasn't what you described. You lived in a bubble pretty clearly and didn't want anything changing how that bubble saw the rest of the world, and you mental gymnastic anything now in 2018 to act like feminism is evil, and sjws blah blah, and trans stuff, and binary. Believe me, there were a small minority in the Warhammer crowd back then too and they were eye rolled at during tournies and at my local shop as well.
It's not your world man. You know it isn't your world. That's the reason for this reaction. But you expect everyone involved in that world to conform to your world being a better one, when ehhh....it really wasn't? Overall? In a lot of ways? Especially for every race, gender, and religion?
This is what you're "teaching" children. That's pretty sad ultimately, and ironic considering it's also how Espinosa acted up until the final moments of Battletech lol.
You didn't learn jack from the plot eh?
squid830: OK while I agree with the rest of your post, I have to disagree on this point (above). I seriously doubt it has anything to do with Kamea being a woman, and more to do with the fact that she was written like a naive idiot who doesn't know the first thing about warfare, tactics or politics. That and the bad guy was written as Space Hitler, with his daughter not being much better.
So basically, evil uncle usurps throne, turns peace-loving freedom-loving monarchy into totalitarian police state, then peace-loving deposed Queen fights to recapture throne (but it's for the people, not because I was born to be Queen, honest!).
almightyfargoth: Read comment sections on reviews of the game. It definitely is a thing people are caring about. These guys bring up "having to listen to a woman pretend to be a leader", or "a woman piloting giant robots". Those are the lightweight comments too because I don't want to get vulgar on the forum copying the bad ones.
Been seeing it for weeks. Same thing on the new Battlefield game, and Darksiders III, and a slew of other games with female mains lately.
There's nothing to doubt man. It's happening like a mofo and it's pretty cringe to watch lol.
And as usual you know
exactly the type of dudes saying this stuff...
I concede that I probably haven't read enough comments on the game, or possibly I just ignored those kind of comments because they're stupid reasons (not liking a game because of female lead character is pretty stupid).
I have noticed a slew of people blaming SJWs for various things across various games/forums though, which isn't quite the same thing (though naturally there would be overlap between people that are anti-SJW and people that are against female leads).
Sometimes people do have a point - there are times where social issues appear forced, in a number of games. Unfortunately, the people that do have and make this point end up being followed by a barrage of comments from others who immediately latch onto the "SJW" thing and think it's some kind of conspiritorial crusade - which tends to make those threads massive (also, this thread, while not quite in that category, is already derailed into a debate about this kind of thing). An example is people complaining that the main character to the planned sequel/DLC to DLC will be a woman and it somehow affects their immersion (!?!?), and that it's somehow pandering to SJWs (sort of understandable given some of the developer's tweets/actions, including firing someone for having a divergent opinion on twitter - but it still seems more likely that this was planned that way before any of those comments).
I still personally believe it's more of a case of sub-par writers who happen to be SJWs, and this has been a growing trend for some time. However, people do seem to be quick to jump on perceived SJW-type things popping up in games - even where this is not the case.
Also on the '80s - I lived through them too, and there was definitely more discrimination then than now; however, now SJW types seem to be campaigning not for equal opportunity and no discrimination (which are both good things), but taking it a step further so that even mentioning anything against anyone who's not a white male is immediately interpreted as some kind of sexist or racist attack. At least in this country (Australia) it's getting to this point. And this is what a lot of people have issues with.
