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If you don't know what I mean by that, just look at DLC section of Europa Universalis IV, Cities: Skylines, Hearts of Iron IV, or even Pillars of Eternity.

Now I wouldn't say that them "funding" themselves through a massive amount of DLCs and Expansions is a bad thing, because they do at least put effort into them, but its definitely *a* thing. personally, I don't have the extra cash laying around, so the idea of paying 100$+ on the "full Paradox experience" drives me from wanting this game.

So I want to know: what do you think the chances are that this game will get "Paradoxed" and are you okay with that?

Edit: I probably should have made this a question. whoops.
Post edited May 01, 2018 by LogicalTiger599
quite likely

it is probably why the game is set at such early date in the Mechwarrior/Battletech timeline and lacks so many mechs and weapons known from other games. This means it is strategicaly placed to allow developers to make any number of DLCs ... story/campaign DLCs set later in the timeline (I'd say that at least one set during/after Clan invasion is pretty much inevitable), mech packs, whatever.

and you can bet your *** that the "full Paradox experience" won't be cheap. Best we can hope for is that the content will at least be somewhat worth the money.
As likely as clammers overheating 24/7.
I think it is a fairly low chance, since HBS has stated that they retain complete creative control over content. They have also explicitly stated that they intend to release larger full expansions or sequels rather than many smaller DLC.
how can you call PoE as a "Paradoxed" game? Both the expansions were great for the price that was paid and full of content. There is nothing about PoE that says it was "Paradoxed", more like it says "We know how to do expansions properly"

As for the other games you mentioned, the ones I looked at are them making new content even for games 5+ years old, can't expect them to give it away for free for 5+ years after release, and what they did works far better for the MP community and keeps a game going for more than a year. They could have easily just made sequels every year instead of doing the DLCs and it would have cost a lot more over time, and it would seperate the MP crowd even more.

HBS doesn't have a history of "Paradoxed" games, and they have complete control of the creative part of this game and how it is expanded upon, so I would say the chances are really low.
Post edited May 02, 2018 by eisberg77
I hope the chances are good considering all the games that have been 'paradoxed' have received years of support with not just bug fixes but huge amounts of free content and features on top of the DLCs, and there's no chance in hell any game would contain all of that at launch these days, let alone at the low 40€ price tag that is common for PDX titles.
Post edited May 02, 2018 by Jukelo
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eisberg77: As for the other games you mentioned, the ones I looked at are them making new content even for games 5+ years old, can't expect them to give it away for free for 5+ years after release, and what they did works far better for the MP community and keeps a game going for more than a year. They could have easily just made sequels every year instead of doing the DLCs and it would have cost a lot more over time, and it would seperate the MP crowd even more.

HBS doesn't have a history of "Paradoxed" games, and they have complete control of the creative part of this game and how it is expanded upon, so I would say the chances are really low.
As I said, it's not a bad thing, it's just something.

I'm just saying, I've read quite a few discusions about how games that are much older than BATTLETECH do everything it does plus more, and when I hear that, especially considering their publisher has very DLC centric business practices, I can't help but feel slightly skeptical that they've seen the potental in exploiting the cult following of both the Battletech universe and Paradox games.

So sure. It might be the best Battletech game ever in five years, but did we wait five years and pay 100+ dollars because "thats how paradox keeps funding its games" or because they found a way to exploit their costumers and still be defended by them? It's all about how you phrase it and we don't really know the answer.

So that's why I ask. Are we willing to take that risk? Is this something we want happening to Battletech?

Personally, I hope your right and HBS decides not to take that path
Post edited May 02, 2018 by LogicalTiger599
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LogicalTiger599: If you don't know what I mean by that, just look at DLC section of Europa Universalis IV, Cities: Skylines, Hearts of Iron IV, or even Pillars of Eternity.

Now I wouldn't say that them "funding" themselves through a massive amount of DLCs and Expansions is a bad thing, because they do at least put effort into them, but its definitely *a* thing. personally, I don't have the extra cash laying around, so the idea of paying 100$+ on the "full Paradox experience" drives me from wanting this game.

So I want to know: what do you think the chances are that this game will get "Paradoxed" and are you okay with that?

Edit: I probably should have made this a question. whoops.
I doubt it. Every game on your list except PoE was internally developed by PDX. Those games do get a lot of DLC as it keeps PDX in the black with minimum expenses. PoE basically got one big expansion, so it didn't get "Paradoxed" at all.

So no, Battletech won't be getting many DLC I suspect. I do hope for something like Dragonfall for SRR, that would improve the game and add more interesting content. I think we'll also get some form of EE at the end of development cycle. But what the game desperately needs is patching to fix poor optimization and squash many technical and gameplay bugs.
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eisberg77: As for the other games you mentioned, the ones I looked at are them making new content even for games 5+ years old, can't expect them to give it away for free for 5+ years after release, and what they did works far better for the MP community and keeps a game going for more than a year. They could have easily just made sequels every year instead of doing the DLCs and it would have cost a lot more over time, and it would seperate the MP crowd even more.

HBS doesn't have a history of "Paradoxed" games, and they have complete control of the creative part of this game and how it is expanded upon, so I would say the chances are really low.
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LogicalTiger599: As I said, it's not a bad thing, it's just something.

I'm just saying, I've read quite a few discusions about how games that are much older than BATTLETECH do everything it does plus more, and when I hear that, especially considering their publisher has very DLC centric business practices, I can't help but feel slightly skeptical that they've seen the potental in exploiting the cult following of both the Battletech universe and Paradox games.

So sure. It might be the best Battletech game ever in five years, but did we wait five years and pay 100+ dollars because "thats how paradox keeps funding its games" or because they found a way to exploit their costumers and still be defended by them? It's all about how you phrase it and we don't really know the answer.

So that's why I ask. Are we willing to take that risk? Is this something we want happening to Battletech?

Personally, I hope your right and HBS decides not to take that path
Paradox doesn't fund the development of the game beyond Localizations and the customer service.

HBS released their road map for the game. They stated they are going to be doing free updates that are going to include new features and Quality of Life features, as well as bug fixes and optimizations. They stated they would like to do 1 maybe 2 large expansions sometime in the future but their priority right now is bug fixes, optimizations, fulfilling Kickstarter promises for the game, and adding in new features and quality of life features.

They are showing they are not going down the "paradox" road.
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LogicalTiger599: If you don't know what I mean by that, just look at DLC section of Europa Universalis IV, Cities: Skylines, Hearts of Iron IV, or even Pillars of Eternity.

Now I wouldn't say that them "funding" themselves through a massive amount of DLCs and Expansions is a bad thing, because they do at least put effort into them, but its definitely *a* thing. personally, I don't have the extra cash laying around, so the idea of paying 100$+ on the "full Paradox experience" drives me from wanting this game.

So I want to know: what do you think the chances are that this game will get "Paradoxed" and are you okay with that?

Edit: I probably should have made this a question. whoops.
In some way, the game is already "paradoxed". Not talking about DLC's, though. If you asked before release, i would have said that they are not going to let Paradox influence the game in anything and all will be like it was in Shadowrun days.

But actually, after the paradox accounts and server being used as DRM for all the versions of the game, before giving backers on GOG a basic version "out of the store" that censores their right to make reviews and the last statements they did on Paradox forums closed for discussions, about the DRM content, i have 0 trust in what they can do in the future, so who knows.

I am not okay with the actual situation, so if you add to this a thousand DLC's...no way. Also, game needs more work (optimization, bugs, crashes, poor UI, lack of info in stats, weapons, armor, in battle, etc...) so i hope they don't release anything more before fixing the game to be in a better state.

Maybe the rushed release was also a sign of the game being already "paradoxed". They had time to work in "protecting" our content with DRM, but not in polishing the game. What was expected to be a release with a big majority of positive reviews, now stay in a "meh" situation even for a lot of backers (in general but here, at least, for those who were "allowed" to write a review)

We will see.