Tuthrick: I must say that I'm quite surprised, as it seems that it was GOG's idea to bundle these games, if I understand it correctly?

Hickory: I don't buy it (no pun intended). Why would GOG remove the very best selling RPG games they've ever had from the shelf? Even if it was, why would they keep the current status quo when they know the uproar and bitterness it has caused? It's not a financial issue in regard to the originals, since they were outselling everything else, and it's absolutely not a case of removing them just because they're dated and classic.

Tuthrick: That's why I thought this response seems weird, I always thought that GOG had to do what the publisher decides, in this case Hasbro/WotC, not the other way around. I'm not saying that the Beamdog customer support guy is lying (or is he?), but maybe he had Hasbro/WotC in mind instead of GOG.

Tuthrick: That's why I thought this response seems weird, I always thought that GOG had to do what the publisher decides, in this case Hasbro/WotC, not the other way around. I'm not saying that the Beamdog customer support guy is lying (or is he?), but maybe he had Hasbro/WotC in mind instead of GOG.

plan99: I think the general thought was that Beamdog or whoever was telling the truth, but didn't have a clue, and just blamed GOG.

plan99: Nice excuse to do nothing. Actually, you're STILL arguing against doing the only thing that MIGHT help. Do it or don't. If you do nothing, you've already lost and have no right to complain.

I'll tell you an old story I heard long ago. A woman was walking through an alley at night and was attacked and stabbed. She screamed for help and people in the buildings around opened their windows to see what was going on. The woman was stabbed again while these people watched from above. She kept screaming and these people just kept watching. They did nothing - they were all too afraid to do anything. Not a single one thought to yell or throw things to scare away the attacker or to call the police or to gather together with whatever they could find and chase the attacker away. If just one had done something, the others probably would've followed their lead. The problem is, they were all waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move, so no one did anything. The woman was stabbed several more times before she died. They did NOTHING and NOTHING changed. Actually, things probably got worse in their area of town and they probably complained about it.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-- Rush (I forget the name of the song)

I don't know why you seem so afraid to contact Hasbro. Can it hurt so much? No, it isn't the same as contacting Beamdog - there's zero chance there. If enough people tell Hasbro they're voting with their wallets on EVERYTHING Hasbro related, as ValamirCleaver said in the post I linked to above, who knows. Do you really expect anyone to believe that's no better than contacting Beamdog? Again, do it or don't but quit arguing or complaining here if you're NOT. GOING. TO. DO. ANYTHING. If you insist on doing nothing and continuing to argue and complain, do it somewhere else.

Hickory: If Beamdog doesn't have a clue and "just blames GOG", then they are lying. They are certainly not telling the truth. To just blame a third party, willy nilly, is malicious. Let's not beat about the bush here.

SkeleTony: Also I don't think anyone here was trying to argue that no one should do anything. Just pointing out that it would be more effective to pester Beamdog than Hasbro for the same reason it makes more sense to pester your supervisor about changing your shift than it does to write corporate headquarters.

plan99: I'll tell you an old story I heard long ago. A woman was walking through an alley at night and was attacked and stabbed. She screamed for help and people in the buildings around opened their windows to see what was going on. The woman was stabbed again while these people watched from above. She kept screaming and these people just kept watching. They did nothing - they were all too afraid to do anything. Not a single one thought to yell or throw things to scare away the attacker or to call the police or to gather together with whatever they could find and chase the attacker away. If just one had done something, the others probably would've followed their lead. The problem is, they were all waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move, so no one did anything. The woman was stabbed several more times before she died. They did NOTHING and NOTHING changed. Actually, things probably got worse in their area of town and they probably complained about it.

zfornaca: This sounds like the urban legend version of the murder of Kitty Genovese:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

Kitty Genovese really was raped and murdered, but multiple people called the police, few people saw or heard the incriminating elements, and at least one elderly woman came outside to check on her.

Valerie.377: Just gonna say this.

Beamdog is not gonna listen to us, because they don't care about the core audience, they only care about pulling in progressives to infiltrate the industry who wouldn't care about gaming otherwise. The best course of action at this point is to threaten their bottom line and attack their sources of funding. You can also send a complaint to the better business bureau, because forced obsolescence IS an anti-consumer practice, and in some cases, anti-competitive.

You can also signal a collective boycott, but if you're going to do it, don't just send an email, send a physical mail both to Hasbro and BeamDog with your complaints.

The best example you can cite is how they messed up the HD porting of MDK 2.

plan99: Thanks for your input. The BBB idea sounds interesting and I'll check into that. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem there're enough people interested in doing anything *outside* of GOG for a collective boycott (a few...).