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Posted September 10, 2016
Let me rephrase this so it doesn't come off sounding like an attack to anyone. I was doing a search online for some information on BG 1&2 but found myself running into more about BG EE 1&2. So I decided to look up reviews for the EEs. To my surprise all I could find were glowing reviews for them no negative ones. I went ten back so I should but I didn't. I didn't like the EEs for various reasons. Two being that the new content seemed out of place, forced, just plain wrong. Graphics were bad. The new expansion? Linear. Predictable. Buggy. Buggy. Buggy. The transsexual NPC didn't bother or offend me I just found him pointless. What did all of you think of all the positive reviews? Were they accurate? I'm just curious because the game I played was not great. Maybe I missed something.
Post edited September 10, 2016 by ShadowWalker56
Posted September 10, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: I was just doing some research online because I was curious and most reviews I found seemed to be positive for BD's BG EE 1&2. Why do all of you think this is so?
What, other than the Beamdog founder, Trent Oster, begging users for positive reviews after the SOD debacle you mean?
Posted September 10, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: I was just doing some research online because I was curious and most reviews I found seemed to be positive for BD's BG EE 1&2. Why do all of you think this is so?
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Hickory: What, other than the Beamdog founder, Trent Oster, begging users for positive reviews after the SOD debacle you mean?
I don't know. I just find it curious that a game that really isn't that good gets such great reviews. I mean what am I missing? The game I played just wasn't that good. It was way, way below BGs standard of quality in my humble opinion.
Posted September 10, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: I don't know. I just find it curious that a game that really isn't that good gets such great reviews. I mean what am I missing? The game I played just wasn't that good. It was way, way below BGs standard of quality in my humble opinion.
I figure a good amount of people didn't actually play BG before the EE. Which means they are actually reviewing BG, not the work done on the EE. Assuming the EE content is subpar (never played it myself so I won't make that assumption) , without foreknowledge of what is new and what is vanilla they would only notice that some parts of the game are not as good as the others and shrug it off. Some games are just like that after all. NW2 had the trial, but it also had Qara, and the painful voice acting in some sections that made my ears bleed. Still like the game in the end, and would give it a good grade, but yeah, hope that made sense.
Posted September 10, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: I don't know. I just find it curious that a game that really isn't that good gets such great reviews. I mean what am I missing? The game I played just wasn't that good. It was way, way below BGs standard of quality in my humble opinion.
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Hurodrik: I figure a good amount of people didn't actually play BG before the EE. Which means they are actually reviewing BG, not the work done on the EE. Assuming the EE content is subpar (never played it myself so I won't make that assumption) , without foreknowledge of what is new and what is vanilla they would only notice that some parts of the game are not as good as the others and shrug it off. Some games are just like that after all. NW2 had the trial, but it also had Qara, and the painful voice acting in some sections that made my ears bleed. Still like the game in the end, and would give it a good grade, but yeah, hope that made sense.
That has basically been my conclusion is that there are those that have not played the originals but I have seen where there are those that say they have played the originals and that EEs made them better. I don't agree but I do think everybody should give it one play through to see what the EEs all about. That way they can make their decision. Personally, I've found that one can get a better enhanced edition by using the mods that are available. As NWN2 goes I was let down by it. To me it was just wrong on so many levels. I played for a while but finally gave up out of frustration. I wouldn't say it was a bad game. It just what I thought NWN2 should be. SoD, on the hand, was an expansion and should have been more cohesive.
Posted September 10, 2016
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Hickory: What, other than the Beamdog founder, Trent Oster, begging users for positive reviews after the SOD debacle you mean?
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ShadowWalker56: I don't know. I just find it curious that a game that really isn't that good gets such great reviews. I mean what am I missing? The game I played just wasn't that good. It was way, way below BGs standard of quality in my humble opinion.
As has already been said, too many people rate it without ever seeing the superior original. Too many people these days automatically think that 'new' equals 'better'. That is so wrong in oh so many proven ways and products, not just limited to video games.
Posted September 10, 2016
I'm also baffled by the glowing praise. A lot of reviews I read at the time EE came out complained about it being buggy, not necessarily an improvement, and that the new content really stuck out as being tonally different from the original content.

This review from Dec 1st 2012 really nails it IMHO

http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/110209-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-review.html
Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition could have been great, a tribute to a classic RPG and a promise of things to come for the franchise and for party-based RPGs in general. Its creators clearly had their hearts in the right place in trying to update Baldur's Gate for a newer generation, that's hard to deny. It's also hard to argue with new characters, quests, areas to explore, and a new adventure, all of which are, for the most part, competently done, if ultimately non-essential.

However, the lack of real advancement in terms of interface and controls, as well as the crippling number of glitches, simply makes it impossible to recommend this new version of Baldur's Gate over the original. The sad and ironic thing is that this version of the game, which boasts hundreds of bug fixes (mostly taken from the years-old work of modders), better performance and new features, ultimately looks like it will require multiple patches and mods to even reach parity with the modded-up original version. Unless you are desperate for the new content, I cannot in good conscience recommend Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, considering the original is still available, has hundreds of mods and bug fix packs, costs $10 USD less, and is just as great as it's ever been.
Posted September 11, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: I don't know. I just find it curious that a game that really isn't that good gets such great reviews. I mean what am I missing? The game I played just wasn't that good. It was way, way below BGs standard of quality in my humble opinion.
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Hickory: As has already been said, too many people rate it without ever seeing the superior original. Too many people these days automatically think that 'new' equals 'better'. That is so wrong in oh so many proven ways and products, not just limited to video games.
Agreed. I can think of several movies that have been remade lately. I've heard young people going on and on about how great they are and when I ask them if they've seen the original of course they haven't. The original is much better. I always recommend they watch it. Unfortunately a lot of them don't want to because they don't have all the latest tech that is in movies now. Too bad. Same goes for games. It's always best to check out the original to see which is superior.
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Namrok: I'm also baffled by the glowing praise. A lot of reviews I read at the time EE came out complained about it being buggy, not necessarily an improvement, and that the new content really stuck out as being tonally different from the original content.

This review from Dec 1st 2012 really nails it IMHO

http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/110209-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-review.html

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition could have been great, a tribute to a classic RPG and a promise of things to come for the franchise and for party-based RPGs in general. Its creators clearly had their hearts in the right place in trying to update Baldur's Gate for a newer generation, that's hard to deny. It's also hard to argue with new characters, quests, areas to explore, and a new adventure, all of which are, for the most part, competently done, if ultimately non-essential.

However, the lack of real advancement in terms of interface and controls, as well as the crippling number of glitches, simply makes it impossible to recommend this new version of Baldur's Gate over the original. The sad and ironic thing is that this version of the game, which boasts hundreds of bug fixes (mostly taken from the years-old work of modders), better performance and new features, ultimately looks like it will require multiple patches and mods to even reach parity with the modded-up original version. Unless you are desperate for the new content, I cannot in good conscience recommend Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, considering the original is still available, has hundreds of mods and bug fix packs, costs $10 USD less, and is just as great as it's ever been.
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Namrok:
Sorry meant to answer you. I agree with this reviewers assessment. I heard they fixed the bugs but I don't see how they could have fixed the content that felt out of place.
Post edited September 11, 2016 by ShadowWalker56
Posted September 11, 2016
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Namrok: I'm also baffled by the glowing praise. A lot of reviews I read at the time EE came out complained about it being buggy, not necessarily an improvement, and that the new content really stuck out as being tonally different from the original content.

This review from Dec 1st 2012 really nails it IMHO

http://www.gamebanshee.com/reviews/110209-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-review.html

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition could have been great, a tribute to a classic RPG and a promise of things to come for the franchise and for party-based RPGs in general. Its creators clearly had their hearts in the right place in trying to update Baldur's Gate for a newer generation, that's hard to deny. It's also hard to argue with new characters, quests, areas to explore, and a new adventure, all of which are, for the most part, competently done, if ultimately non-essential.

However, the lack of real advancement in terms of interface and controls, as well as the crippling number of glitches, simply makes it impossible to recommend this new version of Baldur's Gate over the original. The sad and ironic thing is that this version of the game, which boasts hundreds of bug fixes (mostly taken from the years-old work of modders), better performance and new features, ultimately looks like it will require multiple patches and mods to even reach parity with the modded-up original version. Unless you are desperate for the new content, I cannot in good conscience recommend Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, considering the original is still available, has hundreds of mods and bug fix packs, costs $10 USD less, and is just as great as it's ever been.
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Namrok:
It's been a few years since the release of EE and the game is still polluted with bugs. I have to click the select all button because drag select doesn't always work, sometimes the mouse or camera freezes (but the game would still be operating), and quick-loading brings the music in from the spot where I loaded from.

That Trent fella ragged on Nintendo because of technical and time issues (he was referring to the port of MDK2). I once heard a phrase about a pot and a kettle...

Edit: format issues
Post edited September 11, 2016 by jsidhu762
Posted September 11, 2016
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ShadowWalker56: The transsexual NPC didn't bother or offend me I just found him pointless.
Actually, I am pretty sure that the NPC in question is a her, not a him.
Posted September 11, 2016
the EE versions weren't bad when they came out. They just got worse and worse as the patches and updates came along. That might explain why the early reviews were good.
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