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javier0889: I wanted to try it on release, but it simply doesn't work with most Integrated Intel graphics chips, and there were millions of bugs with other systems as well.
They've fixed the Intel GPU issue. I'm playing it on a Surface Pro (Intel 4400 GPU) with no problems at all.

One other thing I like about the EE editions is that GUI scales. The widescreen was an absolute blessing and I've used it many, many times, but one a high resolution, the GUI gets really, really small. With EE, it is the same regardless of resolution. I also like that the GUI stays the same in EE whether I'm zoomed in all the way or all the way out. I use the zoom feature a lot because on the Surface, zoomed all the way out, its hard to click on things with my finger or the even the stylus, but zoomed about 3/4 in it works fine. However, if I have time at night, I usually dock the Surface and play on a 24" monitor with a mouse and keyboard. Zoomed out works better there.
Post edited August 20, 2014 by ncarty97
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Enhanced Edition is CRAP. Honestly. For many reasons. The list is huge, but i will try to be short and accurate, as well as precise. I have bought it, and i am still crying for the 20 euros spent on it. At least now i know better than to buy 2 enhanced, too!

1) The cinematics are no longer real time and the animation feels like a cartoon slideshow.
2) Some cinematics have changed drastically, even replaced entirely by new ones that seem irrelevant.
3) A lot of new bugs have been created, and the old ones that were supposed to have been solved already, are not entirely.
4) The scripts. For god's sake, those people replaced all scripts with whatever idiocy they had at mind. NEVER and NOWHERE in the originals, would a mage from the party, for example, charge all by himself towards the enemies at the far edge of the screen, trying to stab with a puny dagger, ending up in pieces in seconds, instead...
5) The forums and the fanbase is full of... gays... They started DEMANDING things, much like male npcs being romanceable by other male pcs... Cover your asses, hug the walls, and get out of there, fast!
6) The weapon specialization system and thief skills from/through original 1, were far more effective, powerful and desirable to those of 1 enhanced, a.k.a. 2's system.
7) They ruined cheese and exploits. No Firebead Elvenhair abuse, for example, or killing off Aec Letec with only ONE CLOUDKILL, anymore. No keeping items from 1 with black screen pause. Everything is cut. EVERYTHING!
8) They went against the lore and restriction of original game and rules, themselves. For example, they allowed all ranger kits to dual (in the originals only beastmasters would and could), and some races are allowed to roll classes that previously were not allowed to.
9) They took initiatives to add stuff that wasn't there. Now, anyone with intelligence below 18, is not able to cast high level spells at all. For example, Aerie will NOT cast level 9 spells, even if in the original she was perfectly able to. Same goes for poor Yan. Maybe turnips robbed them all from spells? Or the developers from common sense, for turnip's sake?
10) By installing certain mods, like the Trilogy mod, Weidu and others, you can essentially transform your own original or GoG version of BG1 and 2, into the Enhanced Editions themselves. Minus their extra content like the arena or new npcs (which were all crap anyway). Spend 10 euros, get your quality game here, enjoy the extras and mod/do it yourself! No need to make idiots with MMO mindset (constant nerfing and balancing) filthy rich. And gayish idiots on top of that, all for the worse...

Originals win in each and every aspect.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: 7) They ruined cheese and exploits. No Firebead Elvenhair abuse, for example, or killing off Aec Letec with only ONE CLOUDKILL, anymore. No keeping items from 1 with black screen pause. Everything is cut. EVERYTHING!
They fixed a bug; I'm not exactly sure how that is supposed to be a bad thing.

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KiNgBrAdLeY7: 6) The weapon specialization system and thief skills from/through original 1, were far more effective, powerful and desirable to those of 1 enhanced, a.k.a. 2's system.
I hear you on weapon specialization, but that's also true of Tutu.

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KiNgBrAdLeY7: 8) They went against the lore and restriction of original game and rules, themselves. For example, they allowed all ranger kits to dual (in the originals only beastmasters would and could), and some races are allowed to roll classes that previously were not allowed to.
9) They took initiatives to add stuff that wasn't there. Now, anyone with intelligence below 18, is not able to cast high level spells at all. For example, Aerie will NOT cast level 9 spells, even if in the original she was perfectly able to. Same goes for poor Yan. Maybe turnips robbed them all from spells? Or the developers from common sense, for turnip's sake?
In between you bringing up the AD&D rules in 6 and 8, I'm a little surprised that item 9 is that big of an issue, since in the rules, mages with lower intelligences can't learn spells of certain levels (from levels 5-9 at INT 9 to level 9 at INT 17). Maybe you're referring to the original BG rules, though; sorry if that's the case.

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KiNgBrAdLeY7: 5) The forums and the fanbase is full of... gays... They started DEMANDING things, much like male npcs being romanceable by other male pcs... Cover your asses, hug the walls, and get out of there, fast!
Oh boy. Where to start?

Firstly, can you blame them? The big draw is in being able to roleplay your character however you want (although I question how well it is executed), so not making that option open feels a little silly at best (lol, the devs never imagined that gay people might actually want to roleplay a character with comparable sexual orientation) and insulting at worst (it's not that gay people aren't welcome in the Baldur's Gate, they just don't exist). I tend to go with the former myself. After all, it doesn't seem like Bioware had a problem with gay people, in much the same way that I don't think that most studios hate anyone who isn't a handsome white dude (not that it makes the end result any more pleasant).

Secondly, if the possibility that an NPC might have a thing for you and you aren't interested, what's wrong with (1) not doing or saying anything to give grounds for them to think you reciprocate and (2) if approached, tell them of the lack of said interest? You know, that thing that people do when someone flirts with them and they aren't interested. It's not like being gay or bisexual automatically means that you stop respecting barriers like that; if the NPC persists anyway, then it's not their sexual orientation that's the problem, it's that the NPC is a shitty character (regardless of how good their build is).
Post edited August 21, 2014 by Jonesy89
Yeah, what Jonesy said on that last point. Seriously. If you don't like it, just say so in-game. Nobody's even making you bring those characters in your party. "The gays" are not out to get you. Whether fictional or not, I'm sure the majority would give you wide berth.

The spellcaster bit sounds very annoying, though. Originally, all casters in the game were able to cast spells of all levels. The only thing intelligence did was limit the number of spells they could have in their spellbooks, not the level. Presumably the designers assigned stats based on this principle. Changing this after the fact and denying the best spells to some characters skews the balance between the joinable NPCs quite a lot.
I think the most poignant thing is that it proves the old adage you can't please all the people, all the time. Any time you touch a classic there will be someone that complains. King's list is a good example.

Some people railed on BG for not implementing the PnP rules exactly, to the point that mods were made to make the rules inline as much as possible. If they didn't fix that, people would complain that the inconsistencies and exploits are still there. Fix it? People complain that its not true to the the original BG. Fix some? People complain about which ones.

The new NPC's? Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard spot! If they introduced no new NPCs and just fleshed out the existing ones (which they couldn't due to contractual obligations), then they'd get railed because some people would thing the NPC Mod did it better, or they didn't think they were true to the characters, or that the original BG was not about deep NPCs, if you want that, go to BG2. If they did what they did, then people complain that the new NPC's don't 'fit in' with the rest of the BG NPCs for a variety of reasons. And if they made them new NPCs, but just meat puppets like all the original ones? People would complain that the new NPC's don't add anything and/or that you get plenty of variety of new NPCs with the various mods.

About the ONLY thing people would have been happy with would have been if they had been able to produce it in HD. Unfortunately, since the original art assets were lost, that just wasn't possible.

Whether one loves or hate the EE games, they've had a great impact in revitalizing the modding community. While it was by no means dead, its gotten a lot of energy from these releases and that is a great thing.
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ncarty97: Whether one loves or hate the EE games, they've had a great impact in revitalizing the modding community. While it was by no means dead, its gotten a lot of energy from these releases and that is a great thing.
Somebody has to fix all the new bugs ;)
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Jason_the_Iguana: "The gays" are not out to get you.
Oh, really? While on the forums, i was private-message harassed by one of them. Poor thing imagined that if it described to me his gross adventures in juicy detail, i would like to "play ball for the other team", as it said/suggested. I still hang between itching to puke and itching to start cutting heads, in real life. Damnit, they are everywhere! And on the aggressive! No one has a problem with decent people who keep their tastes and adventures private and confidential. But alas, as of late, homos are anything but...
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Oh, really? While on the forums, i was private-message harassed by one of them. Poor thing imagined that if it described to me his gross adventures in juicy detail, i would like to "play ball for the other team", as it said/suggested. I still hang between itching to puke and itching to start cutting heads, in real life. Damnit, they are everywhere! And on the aggressive! No one has a problem with decent people who keep their tastes and adventures private and confidential. But alas, as of late, homos are anything but...
That bit about how being gay doesn't automatically mean you stop respecting boundaries, and if they fail to, they are shitty characters? Congratulations, you just met the real world analogue, a person who has no respect for boundaries or a possible troll. The fact that they also happened to be gay is rather moot at that point. Regardless of orientation, assholes are assholes are assholes.

If it makes you feel any better, let me give you some reassurance. I am a bisexual male, and you are in no danger of me hitting on you, partly because hitting on someone unreceptive, regardless of gender, is kind of a dick move (to say the bloody least), but also because homophobia tends to be a bit of a turn-off for me.
Post edited August 22, 2014 by Jonesy89
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ncarty97: Whether one loves or hate the EE games, they've had a great impact in revitalizing the modding community. While it was by no means dead, its gotten a lot of energy from these releases and that is a great thing.
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Pangaea666: Somebody has to fix all the new bugs ;)
LOL!
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Jason_the_Iguana: "The gays" are not out to get you.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Oh, really? While on the forums, i was private-message harassed by one of them. Poor thing imagined that if it described to me his gross adventures in juicy detail, i would like to "play ball for the other team", as it said/suggested. I still hang between itching to puke and itching to start cutting heads, in real life. Damnit, they are everywhere! And on the aggressive! No one has a problem with decent people who keep their tastes and adventures private and confidential. But alas, as of late, homos are anything but...
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
Post edited August 22, 2014 by ncarty97
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Jason_the_Iguana: "The gays" are not out to get you.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Oh, really? While on the forums, i was private-message harassed by one of them. Poor thing imagined that if it described to me his gross adventures in juicy detail, i would like to "play ball for the other team", as it said/suggested. I still hang between itching to puke and itching to start cutting heads, in real life. Damnit, they are everywhere! And on the aggressive! No one has a problem with decent people who keep their tastes and adventures private and confidential. But alas, as of late, homos are anything but...
You are crossing a line here.

Consider this: In many parts of the world, including Europe and the United States, gay people are subjected to violence. People who think they are disgusting or for some weird reasoning feel threatened by other people's sexuality -do- sometimes "cut heads." This is a very real and very dangerous threat.

Straight people are not, in any way, threatened in this way by gay ones. "Straight bashing" is not a thing. "Gay bashing" is. We're the majority. What you experienced was rude, sure. You could call it harassment. But it's also just words, online. Harmless other than making you feel a bit uncomfortable.

What you post is -not- harmless. Maybe "cutting heads" is internet hyperbole... but a gay person reading that cannot be sure. They cannot know you will not actually go out and do exactly what you claim. You add to the sense of danger that makes this world the messed up place it is. Don't. Please.

If a moderator sees this, I ask them to consider removing this stuff from what is supposed to be a discussion about games.
Gays are not the problem in Bioware's fanbase. In fact, as a straight person, I don't find any problem with gays, both in real life and video games, and while Bio's attempts at writing gay characters leave much to be desired, it's nice to see them trying to include different perspectives in a medium over populated by the likes of Gears of War and Call of Duty.

Their fanbase can be toxic in different ways, though. Gaider himself admitted he was let down by their attitudes. Threads like "i wonder what that character from Mass Effect's sweat tastes like" or the 3000-page thread about Miranda's ass are legendary in the internet.
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javier0889: " or the 3000-page thread about Miranda's ass are legendary in the internet.
They made that bed themselves in all honesty, by using the camera angles they did -- all the bloody time. Sigh. One of many reasons why those games turned to utter crap after ME1.
Post edited August 22, 2014 by Pangaea666
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javier0889: " or the 3000-page thread about Miranda's ass are legendary in the internet.
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Pangaea666: They made that bed themselves in all honesty, by using the camera angles they did -- all the bloody time. Sigh. One of many reasons why those games turned to utter crap after ME1.
That's one of the reasons why I think Bioware is rather incoherent with their inclusive message. You have the lesbian romances outnumbering the gay male ones, and I've known some gay people that are uncomfortable with how lightly Bioware treated homosexuality, which became almost like a joke when they announced their "100% gay character". Because clearly the others were gays only on weekends.

Violence against gays is an issue. There is some good in Bioware trying to make homosexuality more public, but the problem, for me, is that they do it while trying to appease the SWJ crowd, which is toxic and a joke to feminism and the LGBT ideology.
Baldur's Gate: Original vs. 'Enhanced' Edition

Make another thread for off topic banter, please.
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Hickory: Baldur's Gate: Original vs. 'Enhanced' Edition

Make another thread for off topic banter, please.
It's not off topic banter because it has to do with the content added to the EE and the mentality behind it.
I apologize if the desecration of the forums is uncomfortable to you.