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TauLambda: @SarahGabriella
Do you know why I say it is political/ideological? It is because YOUR world view is what is separating people and implementing policies to increase division. By emphasizing a person's colour all you do is label them as different. By saying that POC need POC characters in game, you are dehumanizing us. You describe us as a group that is removed from the rest of human kind. A group that cannot empathize with and enjoy stories about people who do not look like us. Your political ideology is built on racism and I refuse to play along with that game.
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GR11: I would differentiate a little. There are actually people who try to use minorities to stir up prejudice against western countries, paint them as ''intolerant' or create conflicts. But there are also some who fall for this and *actually* believe they would do something good.

Take for example the current burning of JK Rowlings books :O Sure, some people incite such stuff on purpose because Rowling is not adhering to their ideology or her books would be too "conservative". But others truly believe Rowling would have said or done something evil - because they never looked up what she actually said.
This isnt a thread about transphobes like Rowling. And she is a massive TERF.
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GR11: I would differentiate a little. There are actually people who try to use minorities to stir up prejudice against western countries, paint them as ''intolerant' or create conflicts. But there are also some who fall for this and *actually* believe they would do something good.

Take for example the current burning of JK Rowlings books :O Sure, some people incite such stuff on purpose because Rowling is not adhering to their ideology or her books would be too "conservative". But others truly believe Rowling would have said or done something evil - because they never looked up what she actually said.
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SarahGabriella: This isnt a thread about transphobes like Rowling. And she is a massive TERF.
To the uninitiated: "TERF" is an acronym which stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminist".

The trans cultists have their "TERFs" just as Scientologists have their "suppressive persons". Mate, you're turning into a cultist.

Can you give me a specific example of something genuinely hateful J. K. Rowling said, or are you just vomiting wokespeak from the Twittersphere? Think for yourself please.

All J. K. Rowling did was insist that women have a right to their own safe spaces, away from men and men pretending to be women.

So, have you purchased Baldur's Gate 3 yet or is this really all about scoring virtue points?
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Gandomyr: Game also features a gay male high elf rogue vampire spawn. So homosexuality is checked too. Tough he's kinda pale (being a vampire spawn). I don't think you'll like him. Altough he is VERY cool!
Isn't Astarion just dreamy? He's a looker alright. <3
Post edited October 10, 2020 by Itsamnaaj
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SarahGabriella: This isnt a thread about transphobes like Rowling. And she is a massive TERF.
but this is exactly the content we are in teh internets for hahahaha
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SarahGabriella: This isnt a thread about transphobes like Rowling. And she is a massive TERF.
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Itsamnaaj: To the uninitiated: "TERF" is an acronym which stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminist".

The trans cultists have their "TERFs" just as Scientologists have their "suppressive persons". Mate, you're turning into a cultist.

Can you give me a specific example of something genuinely hateful J. K. Rowling said, or are you just vomiting wokespeak from the Twittersphere? Think for yourself please.

All J. K. Rowling did was insist that women have a right to their own safe spaces, away from men and men pretending to be women.

So, have you purchased Baldur's Gate 3 yet or is this really all about scoring virtue points?
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Gandomyr: Game also features a gay male high elf rogue vampire spawn. So homosexuality is checked too. Tough he's kinda pale (being a vampire spawn). I don't think you'll like him. Altough he is VERY cool!
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Itsamnaaj: Isn't Astarion just dreamy? He's a looker alright. <3
Trans women are women, trans women are men. OK, lets have trans men with muscles and beards on testosterone use womens bathrooms. The first to complain will be people like you. Trans women like cis women deserve to be safe in their own space.

You sound like someone who reads a bit much on Twitter, and not the right kinda stuff. Educate yourself on trans people to be less of a transphobe.
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Itsamnaaj: Can you give me a specific example of something genuinely hateful J. K. Rowling said, or are you just vomiting wokespeak from the Twittersphere? Think for yourself please.
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SarahGabriella: Trans women are women, trans women are men. OK, lets have trans men with muscles and beards on testosterone use womens bathrooms. The first to complain will be people like you. Trans women like cis women deserve to be safe in their own space.

You sound like someone who reads a bit much on Twitter, and not the right kinda stuff. Educate yourself on trans people to be less of a transphobe.
You were challenged to support your libel with evidence and facts. You wouldn't just be making blanket baseless accusations, would you?
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Trans women are not women, they are trans women, just like trans men. An adult who decides to transition has every right to do so, and if I met one I would likely refer to them by she/he depending on the transition, but taking hormones,changing your clothes, and cutting off your genitalia does not change your biological sex. XX chromosomes = women XY = Male. This is part of the reason people do not want this ideology to pollute games because it advocates things which are disjointed from reality and demands that people accept it as fact or else be called transphobic.

You are advocating for 2+2=5

People push back when you accuse them of being bigoted because they disagree with your opinion.
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TauLambda: XX chromosomes = women XY = Male
That's not entirely true, and you really should know that. It's not that simple.

(There is at least one case in the scientific literature where an XY woman gave birth without assistance to an XY daughter.)
Post edited October 10, 2020 by dtgreene
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TauLambda: XX chromosomes = women XY = Male
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dtgreene: That's not entirely true, and you really should know that. It's not that simple.

(There is at least one case in the scientific literature where an XY woman gave birth without assistance to an XY daughter.)
Not to mention, XXY, XYY and so on exist. And chromosomes can be wrong, thats literally why trans people exist and always did exist but dont try to explain it to those people, they want "evidence" so they can keep gaslighting.

Besides, they think my thread is about racism and LGBT talk when it was a simple question.
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dtgreene: That's not entirely true, and you really should know that. It's not that simple.

(There is at least one case in the scientific literature where an XY woman gave birth without assistance to an XY daughter.)
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SarahGabriella: Not to mention, XXY, XYY and so on exist. And chromosomes can be wrong, thats literally why trans people exist and always did exist but dont try to explain it to those people, they want "evidence" so they can keep gaslighting.
Recurring X chromosomes happen yes, but the presence of a Y makes it male. A gene on the short arm of the Y causes degeneration of the Müllerian duct (precursor to the female reproductive system) which is why when a mutation occurs which produces recurrent X, those individuals tend to be sterile.
This is not gaslighting its science.

I never said trans people dont exist, all I said was being trans does not change your biological sex.
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Like clockwork.

Party A: The science is clear, your chromosomes determine your biological sex.
Party B: What about [fringe birth defect]!

It's the kind of spurious minutiae that makes having any reasonable conversation online an excruciating chore. You'll never achieve a baseline for civilized discussion because half the participants aren't in it for any other reason than to argue any point you make.

"Humans have heads, right? We can agree on that?"
"Not so fast Nazi CIS! What about people with anencephaly? Sure it's a 100% mortality rate with almost all of them resulting in miscarriage, but are you saying they're not REAL humans!?"

It's what happens when you live an ideology grounded in denial. Any admission of simple truths or objective reality makes the whole house of cards come tumbling down.
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SarahGabriella: Trans women are women, trans women are men.
Trans women are men. Trans men are women. Sex, not gender.

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SarahGabriella: OK, lets have trans men with muscles and beards on testosterone use womens bathrooms.
I am absolutely fine with that. They are women, they should use women's bathrooms. If a woman suffers from hirsutism, this does not mean that she is not a woman, after all. I find your gender stereotypes problematic.

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SarahGabriella: Trans women like cis women deserve to be safe in their own space.
This is exactly what J. K. Rowling said: that trans "women" deserve their own space, apart from "cis" women. Yet she is a TERF? Harrumph, good sir.

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SarahGabriella: You sound like someone who reads a bit much on Twitter, and not the right kinda stuff.
I do not use social media and have never had a Twitter account. This is what we in the truthtelling trade call "projection", you have done nothing but channel the Twittersphere's counterfeit righteous indignation.

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SarahGabriella: Educate yourself on trans people to be less of a transphobe.
Educating myself on trans people is exactly what made me realise the whole idea of gender is oppressive nonsense.

Some insane positions gaining acceptance amongst "woke" circles are:

- Genital preferences are transphobic: You bourgeois liberal yuppies now say that if a gay man refuses to sleep with women LARPing as men ("trans men"), he is transphobic. I was born gay, I did not choose to be gay. I cannot "unlearn my genital preference", sexuality is immutable. The religious right wing has forced homosexuals into straight relationships through gay conversion therapy for ages; now the bourgeois left wing are doing the same. This is woke homophobia.

- Gender non-conforming children are transgender: This is a consequence of the thoroughly discredited "brain in the wrong body" hypothesis. The heinous "gender affirming treatment" dogma, that is spreading like a cancer in caregiver circles, gives parents the idea they can "fix" their sons playing with dolls or daughters playing with cars with hormone blockers and mutilating surgery, whereas these children would grow up to be well adjusted "cisgender" adults without intervention. These children are callously pressed into the mold of gender stereotypes by doctors who violate their Hippocratic Oath: Primum non nocere. First, do no harm.

- Gays and lesbians owe their rights to transgenders: This usually follows the untrue assertion that a trans woman "threw the first brick" in the 1969 Stonewall riots. This "trans woman" was actually a gay male drag performer and identified as male. There were no transgenders involved in these riots; just lesbians, gays and bisexuals. LGB only turned into LGBT over the past decade or so. Now the T has been proven a Trojan horse, I am fine with divorcing the T from LGB.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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SarahGabriella: Besides, they think my thread is about racism and LGBT talk when it was a simple question.
This thread serves no purpose. I answered that question. Gave you example of color NPCs, color companions and gay companions. With pictures attached to my post too, so you can judge for yourself. Thread should've ended then and there.
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Roahin: Like clockwork.

Party A: The science is clear, your chromosomes determine your biological sex.
Party B: What about [fringe birth defect]!

It's the kind of spurious minutiae that makes having any reasonable conversation online an excruciating chore. You'll never achieve a baseline for civilized discussion because half the participants aren't in it for any other reason than to argue any point you make.

"Humans have heads, right? We can agree on that?"
"Not so fast Nazi CIS! What about people with anencephaly? Sure it's a 100% mortality rate with almost all of them resulting in miscarriage, but are you saying they're not REAL humans!?"

It's what happens when you live an ideology grounded in denial. Any admission of simple truths or objective reality makes the whole house of cards come tumbling down.
No, it's:
* Party A: The science is clear.
* Party B: No, it is not.
* Party A: It is clear.

(I can almost guarantee that Party A has not studied the relevant topics at the college level or higher, and that Party A certainly doesn't have a degree in that subject.)

(Even when Party B provides citations, it doesn't help the situation, as Party A denies it or doesn't even bother to check.)

(Also, note that Party A has not defined "biological".)
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Roahin: Like clockwork.

Party A: The science is clear, your chromosomes determine your biological sex.
Party B: What about [fringe birth defect]!

It's the kind of spurious minutiae that makes having any reasonable conversation online an excruciating chore. You'll never achieve a baseline for civilized discussion because half the participants aren't in it for any other reason than to argue any point you make.

"Humans have heads, right? We can agree on that?"
"Not so fast Nazi CIS! What about people with anencephaly? Sure it's a 100% mortality rate with almost all of them resulting in miscarriage, but are you saying they're not REAL humans!?"

It's what happens when you live an ideology grounded in denial. Any admission of simple truths or objective reality makes the whole house of cards come tumbling down.
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dtgreene: No, it's:
* Party A: The science is clear.
* Party B: No, it is not.
* Party A: It is clear.

(I can almost guarantee that Party A has not studied the relevant topics at the college level or higher, and that Party A certainly doesn't have a degree in that subject.)

(Even when Party B provides citations, it doesn't help the situation, as Party A denies it or doesn't even bother to check.)

(Also, note that Party A has not defined "biological".)
Mister, this member of party A worked as a researcher in the field of molecular biology.

If I were to karyotype you, I would find an X and Y chromosome in your 23rd chromosome pair; unless you suffer from a trisomy 23 condition such as Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXY). An MRI of your cerebrum would show us a male brain. Is this biological enough for you, sir?
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dtgreene: No, it's:
* Party A: The science is clear.
* Party B: No, it is not.
* Party A: It is clear.

(I can almost guarantee that Party A has not studied the relevant topics at the college level or higher, and that Party A certainly doesn't have a degree in that subject.)

(Even when Party B provides citations, it doesn't help the situation, as Party A denies it or doesn't even bother to check.)

(Also, note that Party A has not defined "biological".)
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Itsamnaaj: Mister, this member of party A worked as a researcher in the field of molecular biology.

If I were to karyotype you, I would find an X and Y chromosome in your 23rd chromosome pair; unless you suffer from a trisomy 23 condition such as Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXY). An MRI of your cerebrum would show us a male brain. Is this biological enough for you, sir?
Hey, another academic. I'm a neuroscience guy. Doing research right now looking at how people with different personality types respond physiologically and behaviorally (reaction time) to threatening stimuli under masked and unmasked conditions. Previously was looking into meditation and neuroplasticity.

However, like you, I went through education to understand sex hormones and genetics.