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Posted April 03, 2021
If you read the reviews, many if not most are complaining about the world building and the setting and I agree.

My question is, have the people from Larian "heard the news"?

I get that if you're releasing a demo (why wasn't it a demo btw but a full price game?) you'd like to show off everything at once. But swamp next to dry land next to green land, thieflings in such abundance and an old witch, this just isn't the epic story people were expecting from a Baldur's Gate title. It's more like a children's story than an epic.

Is chapter 1 going to stay like it is?

Are the Larian people listening to the reviews and the dislikes, have there been any comments by them?
Posted April 03, 2021
You make some interesting points, but I'm afraid I don't agree with your post.

It is not a demo, it is a pre-order; with alpha/beta access as a nice little perk.

You need to have variety when it comes to landscapes. It would get dull pretty fast if everything had the same terrain and flora.

There are "tieflings in abundance" because they are seeking refuge somewhere safer. The game's first location is a flying octopus ship, so a bunch of tieflings are really not that strange. The game set up a high fantasy atmosphere from the very beginning.

Edit: format
Post edited April 03, 2021 by J Lo
Posted April 04, 2021
most the reviews I've read say nothing about land type and the idea that you don't get grass next to swamp is bullshit but if people want to talk about it then thats upto them

I assume someone at Laron reads some reviews but they are not Gog so who knows... try asking them mate

this is not a demo its a pre-build... the idea is they track feedbak (about the actual game) and can make adjustments before they ship the busted mess that is another hyped up game i.e, fix it then ship it!

anyone that plays the game knows why there are so many tieflings in this area... the plot story is pretty clear about it
Posted April 06, 2021
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ussnorway: the idea is they track feedbak (about the actual game) and can make adjustments before they ship the busted mess that is another hyped up game i.e, fix it then ship it!
I really struggle to interpret this sentence.

The setting and story are part of the actual game. Especially in an RPG. Especially in an RPG where the lore, setting and locales are so deep entrenched in generations of player.

Or I missunderstood something?
Post edited April 06, 2021 by OldOldGamer
Posted April 07, 2021
What I'm saying is the response to BG3's chapter 1 was not a good one
and most criticism was about how the world is built.

We're in the Sword Coast, right? Mostly human settlements.

You say ask them, that's the purpose of this thread. I'm not following them or do I know where someone might ask them, not do I care to ask them. But other might be more involved with them and their work.
So I'm asking if they said anything about the criticism, if they'll stick to their plan, if they're going to change chapter 1.

Don't say it's not a demo. It's 1 map with all kinds of environments packed in it, a demo. A demo that costs 60€.
So when people pay 60€ and receive something they don't like, don't you think there might be some process starting?
"People didn't like what we produced, maybe we should talk to them see what they would like instead"
I have heard nothing, searched and found nothing.

Look at the highest rated reviews here on gog.
1 fanboi review (5 stars)
3 on the fence (3 stars)
1 criticizing world building and sloppy writing (4 stars)
next page
1 guy doing sales for the company, lying about its quality (5 stars)
1 criticizing story, combat, bad exploration (4 stars)
3 criticizing it being more D:OS3 than BG3 (2x2,1x3 stars)
next page
5x2 star reviews
next page
2,2,1,3,5 stars. The 5 star guy complaining about the complainers.
next page
3,3,3,2,2 stars

So 4 pages with 2x5star reviews, and mostly 2 and 3 star reviews.
Bottom line, the game so far (or demo) was not well received.

Now, you see, my question is, is Larian doing anything about that or will they just do their thing and let marketing do the rest? Have they "heard the news"? Are they doing something about it? People obviously don't like what they bought.
They expected Baldur's Gate 3 and received Divinity Original Sin 3 with the same flaws D:OS2 initially had and has.

Personally, why does it have to be so over the top regarding everything?
Starting with the mindflayer tadpoles, why can't you be just a regular guy, why do you have to have super powers, mind reading. And then your ship crashes and you happen on a village of Thieflings and Druids... in the Sword Coast, where human settlements are.

I for one am really tired of this Hollywood style blowing things out of proportion. Car drives against a rock - EXPLODES.
Just like this "For Honor" game, female knight that looks like a man fighting for freedom and justice. WTF? When have there ever been female knights? Jeanne D'Arc is an exception or was. But 1 isn't enough, there are 2 and there 1 guy and another guy and the other guy is black. Keep it real please.
Now you can say, "it's a game, who cares". Well I care. Because ... people learn by playing games. And when the history isn't told truthfully if that's the first contact with this kind of history you believe that women were knights and the black people were knights too in Europe. It's just not true. "Alternate timeline" is one big excuse for being lazy and making bullshit up.

Anyhow BG3 is a fantasy game but even there there are good and bad DMs, good and bad stories and storytellers. And BG3 so far from what we've seen does not tell a good story, neither in how the world is built, not the actual writing.

So yeah. I guess no one can answer if they've done or said anything regarding those bad reviews they received.
Posted April 07, 2021
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dluketic: Just like this "For Honor" game, female knight that looks like a man fighting for freedom and justice. WTF? When have there ever been female knights? Jeanne D'Arc is an exception or was. But 1 isn't enough, there are 2 and there 1 guy and another guy and the other guy is black. Keep it real please.
Now you can say, "it's a game, who cares". Well I care. Because ... people learn by playing games. And when the history isn't told truthfully if that's the first contact with this kind of history you believe that women were knights and the black people were knights too in Europe. It's just not true. "Alternate timeline" is one big excuse for being lazy and making bullshit up.
You are complaining about historical accuracy in a game with dragons, magic, teleportation, and people with octopus heads...
Posted April 07, 2021
I once saw a black dragon in a game once. Everybody knows real dragons aren't black! Keep it real please.

lol
Posted April 08, 2021
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dluketic: We're in the Sword Coast, right? Mostly human settlements.
Ehem.

"Mostly human" does not mean "nonhumans are astonishingly rare". It only means Humans are more common than the other races combined.

Waterdeep, for example, has a population that is 64% Human ... but that also means, the population of Waterdeep is 36% NOT Human ...
Posted April 09, 2021
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dluketic: Don't say it's not a demo. It's 1 map with all kinds of environments packed in it, a demo. A demo that costs 60€.
I realize that people here are tired answering this question, so probably it's my turn...

No, the demo doesn't cost €60.
For €60, you are buying the full game, which will be shipped to you as soon as it is ready. That is called "pre-order".
Full. Game. For. €60.

As a free bonus, you are also granted access to the beta-test of the game at a very early stage of its development.
Which is what is going on right now.
No one forces you to participate, though. You can just wait for the full game to be released.
Which is exactly what I'm doing BTW, because after one play-through I decided that at this early stage the game is not yet worth investing my time.
Your choice.

We're in the Sword Coast, right? Mostly human settlements.
Ah, another of *these* questions... Well...

Zevlor's people are not just some random tieflings - they are refugees from Elturel, the city that has been through Hell and back... literally - it had been transported into Avernus and eventually retuned to the Prime Material Plane in the very recent past of the game's setting.
Is it so surprising that, with all those lovable baatezu being around, the percentage of tieflings in the city's population is now so abnormally high ?.. Or that a lot of them would become pariahs after the city's return to the Prime and be forced out of the city ?..

The existence of this particular group of tieflings in this particular place is not only perfectly justifiable - it is a direct link that connects BG 3 with the previous installment in the franchise, "Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus" adventure module, which is the direct prequel to the game. And, quite probably, also serves as a hint of some of the game's later plot. The short trip of the protagonists through Avernus aboard the Nautiloid in the prologue was hardly accidental, as well.
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J Lo: You are complaining about historical accuracy in a game with dragons, magic, teleportation, and people with octopus heads...
No, for the sake of fairness - he's actually complaining about historical accuracy in "For Honor" game, which is supposedly set in a (pseudo)historical setting, AFAIK.
He also complains about poor writing & storytelling in the game with dragons etc. Which is not a completely inaccurate claim in the case of BG 3 in its current state, I have to say. But, well, complaining about "swamp next to dry land next to green land" seems to be somewhat over-the-top...
Post edited April 09, 2021 by D2R
Posted April 25, 2021
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dluketic: [...] thieflings [sic] in such abundance [...]
This is not a Larian thing. This is a 5E Dungeons & Dragons thing. Tieflings are an entire playable race, which is only a little less common than, say, Half-Orcs.
Posted May 07, 2021
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dluketic: If you read the reviews, many if not most are complaining about the world building and the setting and I agree.
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I and several other people on the Larian forums made exactly the same point & you can rest assured that Larian 'knows'.

Writing and world building in Divinity Original Sin has always been the greatest weak point of Larian. They always try to show off everything at once & become too grandiose, too forced.

For example, there are several people on the Larian forums who literally demanded to get *normal*, *boring* companions and romances. There are people who demanded they just want to have a common girl or a common fighter *without* some great secret or backstory.

Larian's writers simply don't understand that all powerful characters & enigmatic races can only shine if they are represented in contrast to normal peasants & fishermen. & that peasants and fishermen can make much more interesting characters than the 1000th vampire in disguise.

But writing a peasant's daughter in an interesting manner requires effort. Writing how such a character rises to be a hero is not simple.
Post edited May 07, 2021 by GR11
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