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MobiusArcher: This is a technology they have already made. It will not take years for an e-reader to use it. It will likely be more than just a few months though, or at least it will for the big 3 to use it. It will probably be more expensive as you say. Its also useless to most people. Books are mostly black and white anyway. I was just throwing the option out there just in case.
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orcishgamer: How does this technology exist? Color eInk is new and last I heard there were some major issues with it. What facility is able to reliably produce these now? If they have to retool a fab (or build a new one) it's not just right around the corner and as everyone agrees, could ratchet up the price by 300 USD or more.
I don't know any specifics. Here is the official page. I know they have shown this off at tech shows. Of course, the first reader to use it was supposed to be out during last years holiday shopping season. Maybe there are some major issues with it. I have been looking around on the net to see if I can come up with answers and I did find [url=]this[/url]. It implies that the reason for no color E Ink is more due to a lack of interest. I also found a different type of electronic paper called Cholesteric LCD technology. Its already available in Japan, and the company is in talks to bring it west. Im not sure how much like paper it looks though. I cant find much info on that. I do know that the image stays on the screen even if there is no power going to it. That at least means it doesn't need a back light on all the time like normal LCD.

I guess I may be wrong about colored E Ink then. My interested in this Cholesteric LCD is piqued though. I would love to see a demo.
Post edited July 22, 2011 by MobiusArcher
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Twilight: snip
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Lucibel: A Kindle 3 owner here, and one advantage of going with one of these is that Amazon's customer service are lightning fast to replace defective Kindles. Mine went wrong after 6 months, and a replacement one (refurbished, but which they also sell at a few pounds less) arrived the next day. This happened to go wrong too and they sent another one swiftly which, touch wood, is ok. I doubt you'd get the same fast support as Nooks, iRiver, Sony etc.
As a Nook user that had a defective Nook less than a month after I originally got one, I got with B&N customer support and had a new Nook in 3 days.
Get a Sony PRS-650 (or the smaller one, depending on your liking). It is a great little device and the lack of Wifi does not really bother me,
I got a Sony PRS-300 before they were swept aside for the touch screen ones. It's awesome particularly the peace of mind that comes with knowing that the zero WiFi means that no one can access my reader without my permission and delete my books. Something Amazon have been caught doing on a couple of occasions to Kindle owners.
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eno_m_koney: I got a Sony PRS-300 before they were swept aside for the touch screen ones. It's awesome particularly the peace of mind that comes with knowing that the zero WiFi means that no one can access my reader without my permission and delete my books. Something Amazon have been caught doing on a couple of occasions to Kindle owners.
Hehe,

good argument :)
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eno_m_koney: I got a Sony PRS-300 before they were swept aside for the touch screen ones. It's awesome particularly the peace of mind that comes with knowing that the zero WiFi means that no one can access my reader without my permission and delete my books. Something Amazon have been caught doing on a couple of occasions to Kindle owners.
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PaulDenton: Hehe,

good argument :)
Amazon did that once with 2 books that were not legal for them to distribute. The issue has been corrected, and Amazon has promised it will never happen again.
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PaulDenton: Hehe,

good argument :)
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MobiusArcher: Amazon did that once with 2 books that were not legal for them to distribute. The issue has been corrected, and Amazon has promised it will never happen again.
In addition I believe you can buy the version without 3G and leave WiFi off all the time. No one is going to wipe your books and even if they did most folks have copies on Dropbox and a million other places since books are pretty small.
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MobiusArcher: Amazon did that once with 2 books that were not legal for them to distribute. The issue has been corrected, and Amazon has promised it will never happen again.
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orcishgamer: In addition I believe you can buy the version without 3G and leave WiFi off all the time. No one is going to wipe your books and even if they did most folks have copies on Dropbox and a million other places since books are pretty small.
I'd recommend buying the version without 3G, it's only useful if you want to buy or browse for books on the go where there isn't WiFi, personally, I was happy to keep the money that I would have spent on that for a few books.

I like the new Nook, but it isn't enough of an upgrade to justify chucking my first edition for. But, the touchscreen covering the full front looks really nice.
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orcishgamer: In addition I believe you can buy the version without 3G and leave WiFi off all the time. No one is going to wipe your books and even if they did most folks have copies on Dropbox and a million other places since books are pretty small.
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hedwards: I'd recommend buying the version without 3G, it's only useful if you want to buy or browse for books on the go where there isn't WiFi, personally, I was happy to keep the money that I would have spent on that for a few books.

I like the new Nook, but it isn't enough of an upgrade to justify chucking my first edition for. But, the touchscreen covering the full front looks really nice.
I second your recommendation, the Kindle without 3G is a pretty big savings and will work the exact same in almost all scenarios. It's not like they don't hold weeks worth of material at a time, you're not going to "run out" of stuff to read like you might run out of movies to watch on your netbook.
I have the original Nook. I like it for the most part. I have issues with the Wi-Fi on mine but I don't know that anyone else is. Baring that, its comfortable and easy to use. It is really nice not to have to try and force a book to stay open while you are reading it. Its not quite as "snappy," as I hope such things will one day be but it's not usually a problem. Hooking it up to a PC is easy and it makes dragging and dropping personal or unprotected PDF's easy as it gets. I was able to use my own images for the standby mode, which is a cool feature. Also I do have to say I wish the text was a wee bit darker and it has a funny way of counting pages. One thing that scares me is that I can buy a book through it at any time without having to verify anything so someone could just grab it and start buying stuff. I guess all in all I can imagine a better product but I in no way regret buying it.

I was surprised to find out how aggressive the publishing market jumped on the DRM train as well as how little they would tell you about things upfront. I found out about most what was going on after I bought books. As it stands I buy paper if I really want to keep something long term, which is the way planed on doing things anyway.
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gooberking: I have the original Nook. I like it for the most part. I have issues with the Wi-Fi on mine but I don't know that anyone else is. Baring that, its comfortable and easy to use. It is really nice not to have to try and force a book to stay open while you are reading it. Its not quite as "snappy," as I hope such things will one day be but it's not usually a problem. Hooking it up to a PC is easy and it makes dragging and dropping personal or unprotected PDF's easy as it gets. I was able to use my own images for the standby mode, which is a cool feature. Also I do have to say I wish the text was a wee bit darker and it has a funny way of counting pages. One thing that scares me is that I can buy a book through it at any time without having to verify anything so someone could just grab it and start buying stuff. I guess all in all I can imagine a better product but I in no way regret buying it.
The page thing is kind of annoying, but I believe it has more to do with trying to keep page numbers somewhat consistent with the print edition.

And you don't have to leave a CC on the account, you can delete it after you make the purchase if you want to. Which is something that I really ought to do.
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orcishgamer: I second your recommendation, the Kindle without 3G is a pretty big savings and will work the exact same in almost all scenarios. It's not like they don't hold weeks worth of material at a time, you're not going to "run out" of stuff to read like you might run out of movies to watch on your netbook.
I was being somewhat more generic than that. I've personally got Nook, I know that Kindle is also quite good. Hardware is excellent in both cases.

The main reason to get Nook over Kindle is just a matter of being able to buy books from most retailers rather than being stuck with Amazon and having that MicroSD slot.

But yeah, the 3G is a complete waste of money for anybody with any patience at all. Unless one doesn't have a home computer I wouldn't even consider getting 3G on any ereader.
Post edited July 23, 2011 by hedwards
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gooberking: . One thing that scares me is that I can buy a book through it at any time without having to verify anything so someone could just grab it and start buying stuff. I guess all in all I can imagine a better product but I in no way regret buying it.
With the Kindle you can password protect the whole thing. With the password enabled you need to input it every time your turn the thing on. I don't know for sure if the Nook can do that, but I would be seriously shocked if it couldn't. Its a solution for your worries, so long as you don't mind a little extra effort.
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orcishgamer: Nook Colors do not have eInk screens, so I'd have to argue with you that it's the best e-reader, it's likely no better than your phone or netbook.

The OP is rightfully searching for a eInk screen, which is the main reason to even shell out for an extra device just to read books.
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Twilight: I never got the point of color e-book readers. First, you had classic computer screens, then we finally saw evolution towards e-ink and now everyone is thrilled to take a step backwards, back to normal screens? I mean... why? :D If I wanted a tablet, I would buy a tablet and I won't lose money on NookColor, imho.
Right now I don't see any point to them either. Eventually though I'd be surprised if they weren't every bit as vibrant as color books are.

What's dumb about color ebooks is that they're basically just tablets with specialty software. The iPad for instance is more tablet than it is book reader and I doubt that it's very pleasing to the eye when reading.

But, it does a lot of things like animation which ebook readers either do poorly or not at all.
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PaulDenton: Hehe,

good argument :)
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MobiusArcher: Amazon did that once with 2 books that were not legal for them to distribute. The issue has been corrected, and Amazon has promised it will never happen again.
Then they did it again in December 2010. When people caused a fuss about the title suddenly getting locked they blamed it on a technical glitch and restored access... it might have been a glitch but the fact is they shouldn't even be allowed to do this kind of thing at all. The kindle shouldn't be capable of allowing some dude at Amazon high command to spill some coffee on his keyboard and wipe out customer's access to their purchases remotely..

Not that I have any great love for Sony I imagine the only reason they don't do stuff like this is because they 1) don't care and 2) didn't think of it.

Others here have said that you can switch the wireless off on a Kindle which is fine I suppose but I still don't like the fact that Amazon thought it was acceptable to make retroactive delete an option on their devices unless the customer explicitly denied it. It's the same reason I will buy games from here but have no interest in a Steam account. The guys who run this site seem to understand the principle of if people buy stuff they should just be able to, you know, own it, without them reserving the right to drop by your house and take it back because they feel they "sold it to you in error".
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hedwards: I'd recommend buying the version without 3G, it's only useful if you want to buy or browse for books on the go where there isn't WiFi, personally, I was happy to keep the money that I would have spent on that for a few books.
This depends on many things. I have a 3G version, and I'm happy with it. I've managed to set up a separate Amazon account to use my kindle with, make Amazon believe I'm US-based by smart use of a proxy and a fake billing address, and now I bypass their IP checks by simply buying my books through the kindle 3G, since Amazon doesn't do IP checks over 3G.

What does this mean? This means that I have access to the US Kindle store, which has many more titles, and in many cases much cheaper too, than the international Kindle store. Yes, the 3G was more expensive, but I'm happy about the convenience of being able to buy anything I want that's available, without giving a damn about region locking.

Just some food for thought on that, if you're not from the US and plan on getting a kindle to buy ebooks from Amazon.