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sheepdragon: Uhhh, I don't think you quite understood. In Warhammer 40.000, Horus is the name of one of the sons of the God-Emperor of Mankind.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy
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cioran: I know. Warhammer does the now-standard sci-fi folklore mythopoeic mashup thing. I get it. Politically, it's still essentially Pharonic. Even if it wasn't it wouldn't matter (though it is, since it's rigidly theocratic), Horus is a reference to egyptian myth.
Please tell me no one believes the incarnated deity is unique to the Judeo-Christian tradition? See also: Aeneus and the Aeneid, Incarnations of Buddha in Jataka Tales, every third Kung Fu movie
Also, as mentioned, Divine Right of Kings (also in Asia the somewhat analogous Mandate of Heaven). The only thing borrowed from Christian history is the Inquisition. Most of the rest of the Imperium (and the Warhammer 40k world in general) owes more to the Asimov's Foundation Trilogy (and its future religion based on Nuclear Energy or something) than any other book, especially religious ones. The imperial ecumenopolises are likely modelled on Trantor.

Ah. Slept to long, and as a result is a bit dazed. But with that elaboration it was easier to get what you meant.
Warhammer. Stirring up debates on religion since 1980...That would be a funny ass commercial.
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ceemdee: Maybe they were really trying to write one of those choose your own adventure books but someone forgot to add the "turn to page ##" to the end of each scene.

Nicely done.
A CYOA version of the bible would be kickass.
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chautemoc: A CYOA version of the bible would be kickass.

In front of you stands a cross with a fresh corpse.
What do you do?
If you fondle the corpse, go to page 13 you sick hedonistic bastard.
If you ignore it and wish to live the rest of your existence in eternal hell fire, go to page 666.
Choose wisely. >=)
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sheepdragon: Uhhh, I don't think you quite understood. In Warhammer 40.000, Horus is the name of one of the sons of the God-Emperor of Mankind.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy
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cioran: I know. Warhammer does the now-standard sci-fi folklore mythopoeic mashup thing. I get it. Politically, it's still essentially Pharonic. Even if it wasn't it wouldn't matter (though it is, since it's rigidly theocratic), Horus is a reference to egyptian myth.
Please tell me no one believes the incarnated deity is unique to the Judeo-Christian tradition? See also: Aeneus and the Aeneid, Incarnations of Buddha in Jataka Tales, every third Kung Fu movie
Also, as mentioned, Divine Right of Kings (also in Asia the somewhat analogous Mandate of Heaven). The only thing borrowed from Christian history is the Inquisition. Most of the rest of the Imperium (and the Warhammer 40k world in general) owes more to the Asimov's Foundation Trilogy (and its future religion based on Nuclear Energy or something) than any other book, especially religious ones. The imperial ecumenopolises are likely modelled on Trantor.

The name has little do with it. I know Horus is an Egyptian God but the story of the Horus Heresy and the worship of the Emperor is mainly drawn from modern Christianity.
I'm a Christian. I got all of two seconds into that video and lost interest, boring; whatever happens, its probably exactly the same as the stuff which happened two thousand years ago and has been every generation since.
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Romulus: I'm a Christian. I got all of two seconds into that video and lost interest, boring; whatever happens, its probably exactly the same as the stuff which happened two thousand years ago and has been every generation since.

Yep..I don't think ignoring the problem will make it go away though..we're smarter than we were then..
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Romulus: I'm a Christian. I got all of two seconds into that video and lost interest, boring; whatever happens, its probably exactly the same as the stuff which happened two thousand years ago and has been every generation since.
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chautemoc: Yep..I don't think ignoring the problem will make it go away though..we're smarter than we were then..

Na, people don't change, we just do things faster, not smarter.
I'm not really ignoring it, its just not my fight to deal with. I don't need to correct what was probably very wrongly said, as nothing I could say would matter. Other people can shout louder than me.
im a christian who HATES religion.
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ovoon: im a christian who HATES religion.

how does that work?
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Romulus: Na, people don't change, we just do things faster, not smarter.

that shit's deep.
Post edited August 15, 2009 by captfitz
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ovoon: im a christian who HATES religion.
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captfitz: how does that work?

Maybe he means, instead of religion, the religious institutes that commit all kinds of bullshit in the name of their god every day.
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captfitz: how does that work?
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Black_Friday: Maybe he means, instead of religion, the religious institutes that commit all kinds of bullshit in the name of their god every day.

Exactly. Many modern churches have gone "back to basics", rejecting saints, religiosity, and many other teachings and ideas that have little or no biblical basis; these churches put the bible first and foremost and hold no other teaching on the same level. These churches have a pastor and leadership team who are appointed to keep things flowing smoothly, but even this is done in a very open manner and there is none of the hierarchy and hubris many non-Christians have come to equate with Christians as a whole (a view which is reinforced further by media representations).
These Christians keep things very simple by just reading the Bible, following Jesus' teachings, and generally trying to live good, honest lives. As you would expect they try to distance themselves from those lost in religiosity; if asked whether they are religious they will say no (although they will typically clarify their stance when saying so). Some even use a different name for themselves, such as the one I saw on YouTube once that used the term "Christ Followers".
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ovoon: im a christian who HATES religion.
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captfitz: how does that work?

There's a huge difference between a person's beliefs and their religion. You don't need religion to believe in the Christian god (or any other faith's god for that matter). Religion is just the social structures, dogma, etc. that were built up around the belief.
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Romulus: I'm not really ignoring it, its just not my fight to deal with. I don't need to correct what was probably very wrongly said, as nothing I could say would matter. Other people can shout louder than me.

That's really depressing, dude -- I can't accept that. :)
If what you say doesn't matter then nothing anyone says matters -- we are the majority, I assure you our ideas matter.
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ovoon: im a christian who HATES religion.
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captfitz: how does that work?

Well, Christianity isn't a religion as such, as it does not work on a merit system, where as others do. Christianity is a relationship with God via Jesus, rather than winning (insert whatever benefit) through works or deeds.
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Romulus: Na, people don't change, we just do things faster, not smarter.
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captfitz: that shit's deep.

XD Well we do, we're doing the same stuff we were doing thousands of years ago, just quicker.
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chautemoc: That's really depressing, dude -- I can't accept that. :)
If what you say doesn't matter then nothing anyone says matters -- we are the majority, I assure you our ideas matter.

Oh what I say and what other say matters, I'm just not bothered about this one as the subject has been covered by endless books and examples from history.