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Posted March 05, 2020
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Leroux: I don't get why some of these guys focus on the refund period that much. Apparently they haven't really understood how GOG works, as opposed to Steam. If a customer really wanted to abuse a DRM-free system, they could do so within an hour. The play-time is irrelevant, and not trackable in the first place.
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kai2: I agree...

... but...

I would argue that -- especially with a growing number of indies -- we're seeing what they feel is an attack on their most recent strategy -- releasing an absolutely bare-bones "base game," collecting money from sales meanwhile hinting at a roadmap that is really solely dependent on the number of "base game" sales.

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That's a very interesting theory. And one that I admit I hadn't given much thought.
It's a fact that the new "Early Access" model has given indie devs a new way for them to acquire more funding in order to achieve their goals. But at the same time it's evidently clear that more and more devs have started to abuse this model. Those who only shop at GOG probably have no idea... but if one takes the time to check the type of games that get on steam every single day one'd be amazed at the piles of software trash that pretend to be games.

It's a scenario far, far worse than the "shareware boom" of the early 90's. And what I'm writing may be too extreme but sometimes I think that 1/3 of game devs nowadays are more akin to con artists than software professionals.
Posted March 05, 2020
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Lord_Kane: I am not, because it shows very quickly whom not to support, makes choosing devs who stand up for the craft rather then making money rather obvious.
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karnak1: I understand what you mean. And I give you 100% reason.
But when I talk about "being scared" I mean that I never imagined how different younger game devs would turn out to be in comparison to their predecessors. And how much they'd support and enforce DRM.

The "old guys" (like Fargo, Ron Gilbert, Gollop, etc) have no problem in selling their games without any form of DRM and even support the DRM-free policy.

As for some of the "young dudes"... I really wanted to buy "The Long Dark". Was only expecting the game to have a cool discount to buy it on GOG. Until the game vanished. Now the guy who created the game will not see my money.

I could just as well download a pirated version of the game, fully patched and 100% playable. But I have better things to do with my time, like giving my money to devs/publishers who sell on GOG and playing their games.

Still... returning to the original topic: stupidity always scares me. Because some (most?) of the greatest tragedies in human History were born out of stupidity.
True, but the thing is, these are the same actors who whined and moaned about Steam's refund policy when it came into place, giving the same excuses as they are now and chastising that they were not informed, now suddenly Steam's policy is completely acceptable while GOG's isnt? that tells me they are stupid as well as being in it for the money.
Posted March 05, 2020
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amok: but rather that many, if not most, games can be completed in a months time.
Sure, if you start playing immediately after buying. Take a look at the various "backlog" topics...many/most people don't do that. The refund period will have long since expired for most games that people buy, if they ever get around to playing at all. The refund is 30 days after purchasing. Not 30 days after whenever.
so.... why not?
Because GOG will start denying your refunds, that's why not (aside from being, you know, unethical). You don't actually think GOG will just automatically approve all refund requests, I trust. Not sure if you actually read the refund policy, but if not, here's the relevant part:

"How often can I refund my games? Is there some sort of limit?

We trust that you're making informed purchasing decisions and will use this updated voluntary Refund Policy only if something doesn't work as you expected.
This is why there are no limits but instead, we reserve the right to refuse refunds in individual cases.
Please respect all the time and hard work put into making the games you play and remember that refunds are not reviews. If you finished the game and didn't like it, please consider sharing your opinion instead. Also, please don't take advantage of our trust by asking for an unreasonable amount of games to be refunded. Don't be that person. No one likes that person."
Posted March 06, 2020
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amok: but rather that many, if not most, games can be completed in a months time.
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eric5h5: Sure, if you start playing immediately after buying. Take a look at the various "backlog" topics...many/most people don't do that. The refund period will have long since expired for most games that people buy, if they ever get around to playing at all. The refund is 30 days after purchasing. Not 30 days after whenever.

so.... why not?
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eric5h5: Because GOG will start denying your refunds, that's why not (aside from being, you know, unethical). You don't actually think GOG will just automatically approve all refund requests, I trust. Not sure if you actually read the refund policy, but if not, here's the relevant part:

"How often can I refund my games? Is there some sort of limit?

We trust that you're making informed purchasing decisions and will use this updated voluntary Refund Policy only if something doesn't work as you expected.
This is why there are no limits but instead, we reserve the right to refuse refunds in individual cases.
Please respect all the time and hard work put into making the games you play and remember that refunds are not reviews. If you finished the game and didn't like it, please consider sharing your opinion instead. Also, please don't take advantage of our trust by asking for an unreasonable amount of games to be refunded. Don't be that person. No one likes that person."
yeah ive read this before first purchase
still it should be way more clear , it only says it is up to them if they accept it or deny
Posted March 06, 2020
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amok: but rather that many, if not most, games can be completed in a months time.
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eric5h5: Sure, if you start playing immediately after buying. Take a look at the various "backlog" topics...many/most people don't do that. The refund period will have long since expired for most games that people buy, if they ever get around to playing at all. The refund is 30 days after purchasing. Not 30 days after whenever.

so.... why not?
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eric5h5: Because GOG will start denying your refunds, that's why not (aside from being, you know, unethical). You don't actually think GOG will just automatically approve all refund requests, I trust. Not sure if you actually read the refund policy, but if not, here's the relevant part:

"How often can I refund my games? Is there some sort of limit?

We trust that you're making informed purchasing decisions and will use this updated voluntary Refund Policy only if something doesn't work as you expected.
This is why there are no limits but instead, we reserve the right to refuse refunds in individual cases.
Please respect all the time and hard work put into making the games you play and remember that refunds are not reviews. If you finished the game and didn't like it, please consider sharing your opinion instead. Also, please don't take advantage of our trust by asking for an unreasonable amount of games to be refunded. Don't be that person. No one likes that person."
I am glad you posted this, as it in some ways make it worse. this means that there are no clear rules or guidelines to the new policy, but rather it is arbitrary and up to individual employees judgment at the time. so it depends partly on luck who you get and what their mood is on the day whether you get a refund or not. someone could be really unlucky and have genuine problems with three games in a row and get refused just because he got the wrong person, while another could get lucky and get many refunds even though he can be the person described in my previous post.
Post edited March 06, 2020 by amok
Posted March 06, 2020
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zazak09: This guy is very hostile towards modders for some reason

* You may feel modding our game is your right, but it is not.

* You may feel that you "know better" than we do about how our game should play or be "fixed", and that somehow it's up to the community to address the deficiencies in our game, because clearly the development team doesn't know what it is doing. This is antagonistic and insulting. If we haven't gotten around to addressing things like the persistence of broken snow shelters, or breathing effects (fixed BTW), or any other personal bugbear you have with the game, it's because we're trying to run a business and ship both Survival and Story updates to hungry customers. Just because we haven't gotten around to fixing your personal pet peeve with the game doesn't justify the existence or persistence of unofficial mods.

* I'm not at all sad to think that players will no longer be able to crack open our game and review all our systems and tuning. A lot of the "magic" of the game is ruined by knowing too much about what's under the hood. I understand the tinkerer's mentality but we work hard to preserve some sense of mystery and joy in the experience our game can create for people, and I'm not at all saddened to think that people would not longer be able to hack our game and share details about systems and tuning that we may prefer to keep to ourselves.
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zazak09: He also received a lot of backlash this week for removing The Long Dark from Geforce Now.

https://www.dualshockers.com/the-long-dark-removed-geforce-now/

At this rate, I'm expecting his next game to be an Epic Store exclusive.
Dude is a straight up retard lmao
Posted March 06, 2020
dude sounds like a chode.

doesnt even have any games here, so he should frankly mind his own business.
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