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seppelfred: You can buy a 5TB external hard drive for under 100$. So forget burning DVD's. That's a thing of the past.
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rtcvb32: I last remember seeing 2Tb for $80. Haven't really gotten much storage for a while...
Alright, I have to correct myself. I recently bought a 5TB hard drive for 100 euros. That's a little more than 100$.
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rtcvb32: And people who might want to burn their games to DVD, which are a mere 4.3GB
And today I learned that some people still burn stuff on DVDs.

I don't want to be offensive or something :) I'm just genuinely surprised, because the only times I still use DVDs are at my parents house, when we do a family movie night on special occasions.

DVDs (and Blu-rays) seem so out of date, especially for a back-up...
Yeah, 4GB parts are nonsensical for modern 64bit games.
Imagine that Gog even upgraded the default size.. some time ago it was like 1Gb.

And I understand the frustration about the lack of an official standalones manager, but.. good luck not using gogrepo.
Post edited December 10, 2020 by phaolo
oh yeah, and once again my stupid busy mind let me down.. i come back to say; forget galaxy anyway. because those are still split files, right, just that galaxy now grabs them at once? so hang on, i forgot what i actually want. single game installers...

single file game exes. yes, one large 70gb for cyberpunk and whatever else size for all other games, with many at many gigs. (and again, go ahead and keep 4gb splits too)

the galxy fanboyzzzz threw me off as i'm tired and did not even think. it's not that i want "at once" split downloads. F that!! i want large, single files!!!

and the guy who says xp/win 7 are great, and i agree, and yet you didn't UP rate me? buzz off turkey brain!!!

anyone else; xoxo
Post edited December 10, 2020 by GOGer
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Jarik12.3: DVDs (and Blu-rays) seem so out of date, especially for a back-up...
Yeah, optical media is kinda obsolete, except for movies (which nowadays are easier to stream.. and in theory should be legally offered also as a download, if companies weren't so DRM-loving).
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Jarik12.3: And today I learned that some people still burn stuff on DVDs.

I don't want to be offensive or something :) I'm just genuinely surprised, because the only times I still use DVDs are at my parents house, when we do a family movie night on special occasions.

DVDs (and Blu-rays) seem so out of date, especially for a back-up...
Depends on needs and cost. Back a long time ago, i estimated the cost per DVD was like a quarter, while a dual layer was like 80 cents or higher. Using that you divide to determine how much it costs to store per Gig, and compare that to other options.

Also if one DVD gets broke/bad/lost, that doesn't affect the others, vs everything on one hard drive.

If i look up current prices... (Verbatium)
CD - 13.65 / 50 = .27 = .38 per gig
DVD - 17.55 / 50 = .35 = .08 per gig
DVD DL - 24.99 / 50 = .50 = 0.058 per gig
BlueRay - 50.99 / 50= 1.01 = 0.04 per gig
BlueRay (optical Quantum) - 27 = .54 = 0.021 per gig

Assuming bluerays, 50pk at 25Gig per 1.2Tb for either $51 or $27, your milage may vary. Though tape is coming back, and although slow, can store a ton more.



Also, people DO have DVD players. DVD players are cheap now. Actually for a lady who had an Aladin lamp and needed to know how to redo the wick, she didn't have internet or a computer, but had a DVD player, so i copied some videos i found and made her a DVD. Might not be my best work, but meh...

Though the denser the data, the more EC they have to throw on which takes up more space to handle errors. I don't know.
Post edited December 10, 2020 by rtcvb32
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GOGer: the galxy fanboyzzzz threw me off as i'm tired and did not even think. it's not that i want "at once" split downloads. F that!! i want large, single files!!!
I agree that a game like this should should have less and bigger files (or one big file, if the website supports resume functionality) when downloading from the GOG website - but when using a download manager with one-click download, I don't see why the number of files would be relevant?
I prefer the smaler files as backup. Easier to restart a failed download. I really do not want to leave my PC running für two or three days unsupervised when I am not home.

Do the one file for those who want that, but keep the split files, too.
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rbstego: I prefer the smaler files as backup. Easier to restart a failed download. I really do not want to leave my PC running für two or three days unsupervised when I am not home.
And verifying they are in good condition is FAR faster.

Consider doing a MD5sum on a 80Gig file vs 20 4Gig files...

And replacing a single part is far easier too.
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rtcvb32: Using different algorithmns for audio. Or maybe even doing a secdonary route of having music created using a tracker or something, and storing differentials when neccesary, taking what would be say a 10Mb song to 2Mb (course depends on the type of music, etc)

Maybe not having 4/8k texture sizes...

There's probably tons of ways to shrink a game and still have all the content, depends on how 'high end' of a machine you have.
Music and audio is just a fraction of the total space. Sure, they could've made high-res textures an optional download (I think it's a good idea). But I don't want to go into the whole GOG pushing Galaxy thing...
It is what it is - people (on PC) have been complaining about unnecessary size (and specs) since... forever (it seems). I don't think this "trend" will ever change, but if you have issues with it - you can... not get the game around release.
Buying extra ssd space (maybe external when using a laptop) is still one of the cheapest upgrades. (just some perspective)
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teceem: Music and audio is just a fraction of the total space. Sure, they could've made high-res textures an optional download (I think it's a good idea). But I don't want to go into the whole GOG pushing Galaxy thing...
I also think that would be a good idea. 2-3 profiles, for High/Ultra and low/medium settings, which would probably be a 20Gig or more difference in size.

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teceem: people (on PC) have been complaining about unnecessary size (and specs) since... forever (it seems).
And i agree. Seems pushing past the fixed point of where things were stuck on XP for several years and gave a place where everyone had the same ground, is being pushed past. Honestly, 16Gig games.. i'm iffy on being that big, but if it's really good i'll probably accept it though i'd prefer they didn't.

But when, what was it, Order 66 was pushed out? The game where they did all uncompressed textures/music/sound/everything for a game that would have been 20Gig became 60-80Gig was stupid. And it just feels like others are following in that regardless what it means.
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rbstego: I prefer the smaler files as backup. Easier to restart a failed download. I really do not want to leave my PC running für two or three days unsupervised when I am not home.

Do the one file for those who want that, but keep the split files, too.
Failed downloads is only an issue when the website doesn't support resume. It doesn't shouldn't matter how big the downloads are. Assuming you're not using some ancient browser to download...
Starting a download and then going away from home / your PC for a couple of days sounds like a very personal situation. No company can/will cater to any personal preference out there.
If GOG ever changes the split files into one download, that will be it. They're not going to buy extra server space for people who liked the old system (not for new(er) games).
Post edited December 10, 2020 by teceem
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GOGer: [...] (Or can Galaxy also download "installable" files as opposed to "loose" type, like Steam, for example, does? [...]
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amok: yes, which is why they phased out the downloader. Galaxy has the exact same functionality, you can use it as a downloader only, and that means that gOg only need to manage one piece of software
I've tried galaxy before and had, what I consider, a big problem with it. When I uninstalled it it left bits and pieces of itself behind, which meant I had to spend extra time tracking and deleting it myself. That's why we need the GOG downloader reinstated.
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mm324: I've tried galaxy before and had, what I consider, a big problem with it. When I uninstalled it it left bits and pieces of itself behind, which meant I had to spend extra time tracking and deleting it myself. That's why we need the GOG downloader reinstated.
A lot of Windows software leave bits and pieces behind after uninstallation. It's not ideal, but why do you consider it a BIG problem?
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mm324: I've tried galaxy before and had, what I consider, a big problem with it. When I uninstalled it it left bits and pieces of itself behind, which meant I had to spend extra time tracking and deleting it myself. That's why we need the GOG downloader reinstated.
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teceem: A lot of Windows software leave bits and pieces behind after uninstallation. It's not ideal, but why do you consider it a BIG problem?
Because when I uninstall something I want it uninstalled, I'm just funny that way.
Part of the problem with what it left behind was that some offline installers would hang because galaxy would be detected. This may have been fixed idk, I haven't touched galaxy since.