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GOG stop manipulating community wishlist
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Matruchus Its now second time (Z release + Grim Fandango) that gog has been caught manipulating the community wishlist and this is becoming a worrisome trend. If gog is not able to acquire a certain game for a release it should just state that in the respectable wishlist instead changing its meaning or fusing votes together with other totally different wishes since that makes the whole community wishlist system pointless.
Ennson What about duplicate entries? Those need to be merged.
Treehugger Why are so many people unable to view examples separately from the issue? The example is only an example.
jorlin Please people, keep the focus here and interpret the GF issue as an example, but not the main point. The main point being that GOG edits/ merges topics on wishlist for marketing purposes. I agree with the OP that this is underhanded and needs to stop.
ssokolow @Lodium Hence ResidualVM. (It's a sister project to ScummVM and GOG has no problem with ScummVM.)
Plus, the ResidualVM community has produced a patch that adds mouse interaction.
My only issue is the view that Remastered is sufficient to satisfy a request for the original when it is neither a superset of the original in user-visible content nor in on-disk content.
GOG has offered alternative versions of games as extras before (eg. the less-compatible non-DOSBox version of Heroes of Might and Magic 2 Gold, what's known as "Outcast Classic" now that they've released Outcast 1.1, etc.) and I will consider Remastered as sufficient to satisfy my wishlist request only if it includes something ResidualVM-compatible as an extra.
Lodium @ssokolow
Well, the problem with the orginal is getting it to work with modern systems.
At least for me it has ben a pain in the ass to get it to work
not to mention the bugs and the strange UI.
Hence the remake was made.
Ive heard that they were going to release it for more platforms so i dont really get the problem here.
ssokolow @Lodium: ResidualVM (the Grim Fandango equivalent to ScummVM) is available for many more platforms and CPU architectures than Grim Fandango Remastered.
I'll probably just wait for a deep discount sale on Remastered, never install it, pirate the original, and call things even.
drennan Not cool.
Lodium Mhe, storm in a glass. Vont vote
because this case is based on the Grim fandango remaster.
They didnt change that much.
Coud understand it if we were talking about a total remake then this voting poll woud make sense.
As it is, it seams its here to just stir up people.
Matruchus rmihaif - we are not talking about Grim Fandango here but about more serious stuff which is community wishlist being pointless if gog corrupts the wishlists by changing their content and fusing them with other wishlist together and using all of that for marketing pursposes. Do read lower posts from UhuruNUru and Eli to understand what this is about cause you totaly missed the point of this policy request change.
dizzy_plays I disagree that there has been any kind of manipulation here. Most games wishlisted and brought to GOG undergo some changes from the original version to make them work properly on modern hardware/software. In some cases the changes are more involved but as long as the character models, environments, dialogue and game engine is the same then really it's the same game. I really can't see what the fuss is about.
Uhuru N’Uru @ gamefood Insulting people isn't needed. No one including GOG can guarantee any game will run on any specific machine. GOG releases versions of the Games updated, when required, to run on new versions of windows and guarantees a refund if you can't run it even when they provide support, they can't do any better than that.
Whether a Publishers new release of a game will run on older machines depends, as always, on the minimum requirements.
@Lifthrasil & others: See my post below about why merging wishes is always wrong when not for exactly the same thing. When not just a GOG or Publisher release updated to run on Modern PC's, it becomes a separate game and not just a updated one.
Uhuru N’Uru Merging Lists is wrong in principle, added to which the altered Grim Fandango post doesn't show [ORIGINAL TEXT] for both lists, so actually describing it as [CENSORED ORIGINAL TEXT] is correct.
The correct procedure would have been to add a note AFTER the original text on the Old Wish, similar to the GF Addition, but as it applies specifically to that version, maybe with an "In Progress" or at most with a "Partially Complete" update.
The HD Remastered wish is then completed with a note adding that the bonus request for the original is still outstanding but reasonably covered by has the included graphics downgrade and the original and still active wish for the old game.
This would then fullfill all versions of the wishes to the best of your ability, please restore the separate wishes with the added notes reflecting the true situation.
Matruchus First of all gamefood this is not about Grim Fandango its about what gog did with several votes that were changed in to others and texts of the wishlists manipulated to further their marketing designs. And indeed the remake is not the same as original and even gog confirmed that in their post in Grim Fandango Enhanced wishlist.
gamefood @Lifthrasil & others: Gimme the GUARANTEE that GF temastered will definitely run on old machines (like mine)!
You CAN'T???
Well then SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
Matruchus @ Radon - read first what this policy change request is about since you totally mist what this wish is about. Especially read Eli post below.
RadonGOG You lost this one: www.gog.com/wishlist/games/the_secret_of_monkey_island_1
Anyways, I cannot support this wish and this is because of the inclusion of GrimFandango (and MonkeyIsland, which you missed)! Why? Because we don´t know yet how this remaster will turn out. It´ll probably be ways better than the original getting rereleased!
Like the one for MonkeyIsland certainly is. (although that´s a remake and remaster at the same time!)
BTW: I do support the wish to bring in a real version of Z BTW!
##@@##@@ Agreed with what Eli said below. I'm totally happy with GOG releasing a Grim Fandango Remastered edition. I have no problem with it. Having the option for more modern controls and updated graphics and audio will only enhance the game I think. Especially if you can switch most of it back and forth between original and remastered content. The core of the game remains the same and that's the most important thing. But don't switch the votes to say you are releasing the original when you aren't. It was a little disingenuous for GOG to do that. It's not the original, it's an update to the original. I totally see the core of the argument. GOG shouldn't manipulate the vote counts. They need to commit to not doing that anymore and be open about when a game is original or remastered.
Matruchus Yes, Eli phrased what this issue is about quite nicely.
HypersomniacLive What Eli said.
@Lifthrasil - you're missing the point of this wishlist entry; time for a re-read. ;-)
Eli Anyone commenting on the merits of this policy change request, please understand that this request has nothing to do with "Grim Fandango" or other remakes of games. This is simply a request to the fine folks at GOG that they please avoid transferring our votes to games we did not vote on or materially editing requests arbitrarily, especially for the purposes of marketing.
KeyperOS 20 votes is 19 votes too many. Now I need to go and add my own wish, asking for the ability to downvote a wish, then this one would be - 46905...
Lifthrasil I really don't see your problem. You DO get the original version that all those 46000 people wished for. You just get in addition the remastered version with higher resolution textures and you can switch between these two versions at any time. What is so bad about getting something extra in addition to what you wished for? Are you allergic to the word 'remastered'? Then you don't need to use the remastered version. Just switch to old graphics and old controls - and you have your original Grim Fandango.
damien Another example is GOG marked Z as completed whereas all that released was a crappy mobile port remake.
Matruchus You really don't understand do you. Its not about the game. Its about gog manipulating the votes for the original game moving them under the remastered/remade edition. Its a breach of trust if somebody can take your vote and change it in to something else.
Guus_D You can actually switch between the original game and the remastered version. So I don't really see the problem either.
Matruchus You got a remake for which 46000 people did not vote and that's the issue.
Sect I'm not seeing the problem: I wanted Grim Fandango, and I'm getting it, with bells and whistles that will likely enhance my enjoyment of the game.
Eli YES! This needs to be part of GOG's policy. Really a head-scratcher that it isn't already.
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