It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
Trilarion: For the world it's a great social experiment. I am so curious about relative sales numbers for the DRM full and DRM free channel. I really hope, somebody will publish these numbers. It would be so interesting to know them. TW2 is the only experiment so far, that I know of, where you can compare directly the attractiveness of DRM free with an otherwise unchanged DRM full product. Great!
That is a fantastic point. I only hope that it shows the world that DRM-free is attractive and not that consumers don't care. :) Obviously relative size (i.e. number of users/prominence) of the distribution service should be taken into account somehow. But beyond that it would be nice to show that people went for the GOG DRM-free version of an otherwise exact same product more than expected given its availability on other distribution services with DRM under the null assumption consumers didn't care about DRM. Beyond even that, just showing that offering a DRM-free version hasn't increased piracy percentages or hurt sales would be a huge win for the consumer.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
low rated
avatar
Trilarion: You do not seem to be a very successful pirate then. :)))
Nope. I'm a very busy pirate :-P

avatar
Trilarion: And TW2 will not be on the list thanks to GOG. :)
We'll see... maybe I could purchase the boxed version of the game+the GOG digital one and switch the executables to fuck the fucking SecuROM shit. First of all, I'll take a cracked version to see if the game runs on my system, of course....
What I didn't realise was that there were so many 10 armed gaming deities out there that can simultaneously play the game on 5 PCs.
avatar
KingofGnG: First of all, I'll take a cracked version to see if the game runs on my system, of course....
That's a new one. "I want to see if it works". I suppose it's more convincing than the demo excuse.
avatar
KingofGnG: We'll see... maybe I could purchase the boxed version of the game+the GOG digital one and switch the executables to fuck the fucking SecuROM shit.
Well you can always buy the GoG version of the game to have a DRM-free version and buy the physical version to have the physical goodies that come with it, you don't need to swap executable or anything.
avatar
Aatami: They explained at the conference that you require an internet connection only when you install. That is how they check, I assume.
This is the issue, their explanation doesn't "work".

You can install it an unlimited number of times on an unlimited number of computers.

Let's do an example and I install it on 10 computers (which is must less than "infinite").

There must be some DRM outside of the "internet connection only required during install" to limit you to only playing it on 5 computers at once.

EDIT: Please bear in mind that this is from memory and at the time, I was more worried it was going to be on the GOG version than the details :P
Post edited April 15, 2011 by xyem
avatar
xyem: There must be some DRM outside of the "internet connection only required during install" to limit you to only playing it on 5 computers at once.
On the SecuROM version. There is no DRM on the GOG version. You are given a CD key but its OPTIONAL. Go and watch the announcement again. They clearly defined the limitations of the SecuROM version then said the GOG version is DRM free.
avatar
Aatami: They explained at the conference that you require an internet connection only when you install. That is how they check, I assume.
avatar
xyem: This is the issue, their explanation doesn't "work".

You can install it an unlimited number of times on an unlimited number of computers.

Let's do an example and I install it on 10 computers (which is must less than "infinite").

There must be some DRM outside of the "internet connection only required during install" to limit you to only playing it on 5 computers at once.

EDIT: Please bear in mind that this is from memory and at the time, I was more worried it was going to be on the GOG version than the details :P
I thought for the DRM version it was you were only allowed to install it 5 times but you can de-authorize installations any amount of times thus giving you effectively infinite installs, just not all at once. So you can only have it installed on a maximum of 5 at any one time, but over time, it can be infinite installs. Thus the DRM is at the install level only.

Simpler way: purchase on GOG.com, get it DRM-free, and avoid the hassle. :)
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
avatar
xyem: There must be some DRM outside of the "internet connection only required during install" to limit you to only playing it on 5 computers at once.
avatar
Delixe: On the SecuROM version. There is no DRM on the GOG version. You are given a CD key but its OPTIONAL. Go and watch the announcement again. They clearly defined the limitations of the SecuROM version then said the GOG version is DRM free.
I know it isn't on the GOG version now, but the stream kept dropping out (and I missed the start) and I only found out when the staff confirmed it on the forums.

It doesn't detract from my point though. As far as I recall, the SecuROM version was described as only requiring an internet connection during install.. which can't be the case if you are limiting how many instances can be started.
avatar
wpegg: What I didn't realise was that there were so many 10 armed gaming deities out there that can simultaneously play the game on 5 PCs.
avatar
lukipela: And i didnt realize that telling people what they could do with the stuff they purchased was ok.
They are not so much telling you what you can do with what you purchased, as allowing you to purchase something that is limited. You know before buying it what its constraints are, if they sold it to you as unlimited and then told you not to break certain limits then it would be different.

If you bought a car that had a max speed of 60mph, are they telling you that you can't go beyond 60, or just selling you a car that isn't capable of it?

In this case it is a designed and built-in restriction, but you are buying the restricted product fully aware of its limits.
avatar
Delixe: On the SecuROM version. There is no DRM on the GOG version. You are given a CD key but its OPTIONAL. Go and watch the announcement again. They clearly defined the limitations of the SecuROM version then said the GOG version is DRM free.
avatar
xyem: I know it isn't on the GOG version now, but the stream kept dropping out (and I missed the start) and I only found out when the staff confirmed it on the forums.

It doesn't detract from my point though. As far as I recall, the SecuROM version was described as only requiring an internet connection during install.. which can't be the case if you are limiting how many instances can be started.
lukipela and I, I think may have solved your conundrum :)
avatar
lukipela: And i didnt realize that telling people what they could do with the stuff they purchased was ok.
avatar
wpegg: They are not so much telling you what you can do with what you purchased, as allowing you to purchase something that is limited. You know before buying it what its constraints are, if they sold it to you as unlimited and then told you not to break certain limits then it would be different.

If you bought a car that had a max speed of 60mph, are they telling you that you can't go beyond 60, or just selling you a car that isn't capable of it?

In this case it is a designed and built-in restriction, but you are buying the restricted product fully aware of its limits.
True but in fairness they are artificially restricting it - they don't have to restrict it. It's not like they aren't putting in a better engine, they're putting something extra in to slow the car down. Badly worded but I think you get my gist. :)

Besides the DRM-free option is there for anyone who wants it. :) So for the first we have the option and we get to see if DRM is all it's "cracked" up to be. Oh yes.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
avatar
Delixe: That's a new one. "I want to see if it works". I suppose it's more convincing than the demo excuse.
What excuse? I'm not hypocritical, so I don't need any excuse. I pirate what I want, I purchase what I want. So sue me....
avatar
xyem: It doesn't detract from my point though. As far as I recall, the SecuROM version was described as only requiring an internet connection during install.. which can't be the case if you are limiting how many instances can be started.
That's rather easy. On install the game phones home it checks how many games are currently active with that key. If there are already 5 active it won't let you activate a 6th one. You will have to stop playing the game one of the 5 currently running machines before you can start the game on number 6. Why this would be an issue for anyone other than a very rich octopus is beyond me.
avatar
wpegg: and built-in restriction, but you are buying the restricted product fully aware of its limits.
Actually, it could be argued that the limits are not clearly defined.

They say an "internet connection" is required. It's possible to have an internet connection and still not be able to install (e.g. if their servers are offline) :)
avatar
xyem: You can install it an unlimited number of times on an unlimited number of computers.
NO, you can install on five computer at time with an unlimited number of deactivation, that's different.

That's how they do the check, try to install it on a 6th computer and it wont work until you deauthorize on of the previous five. Nothing new here it's exactly how most all similar activation scheme works