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tomba4: What I don't understand is why you cannot acknowledge that there IS (or MAY BE) a problem and the game is NOT 100% DRM free under special circumstances.
Mostly because that isn't DRM. You have an issue with how CDP RED is choosing to deliver content to you. There's no copy protection on the game, there's no copy protection on the patches. While I'm sorry if the way the content is delivered doesn't suit you, it's definitely not DRM.
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TheEnigmaticT: It's up to you if you find this an acceptable choice, but we're doing all we can as a digital distribution channel to make this game as easy to get and play as we can.
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tomba4: You cannot see that from my complaints, but I assure you I really understand your standpoint, I know my options and I appreciate what you're doing. What I don't understand is why you cannot acknowledge that there IS (or MAY BE) a problem and the game is NOT 100% DRM free under special circumstances.
I know i'm not Enigmatic but:

1. There isn't a problem as Gog has said they're going to update the installer for Goggers every so often so the auto-patcher won't be the only way to update, and any other issues are out of Gog's hands.

2. It isn't DRM to everyone.......so to say it is DRM 100% fact is crap because not everyone's definition of DRM makes this DRM.
what? GoG can´t magically send the files to my harddrive without internet connection..?!? shame on them....

I simply don´t understand all the complaints. I, too, think that they are doing a great job with the release of TW2 here.
just had to post my little opinion... :)
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TheEnigmaticT: You have an issue with how CDP RED is choosing to deliver content to you. There's no copy protection on the game, there's no copy protection on the patches. While I'm sorry if the way the content is delivered doesn't suit you, it's definitely not DRM.
Please... CDP RED is choosing to deliver patches in a way that requires internet activation. They can ban serial numbers, they can shut down their servers, they can do whatever they want to limit the access. And GOG is selling that as 100% DRM free and pretend that everything is great. For me that's just a lie.
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TheEnigmaticT: You have an issue with how CDP RED is choosing to deliver content to you. There's no copy protection on the game, there's no copy protection on the patches. While I'm sorry if the way the content is delivered doesn't suit you, it's definitely not DRM.
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tomba4: Please... CDP RED is choosing to deliver patches in a way that requires internet activation. They can ban serial numbers, they can shut down their servers, they can do whatever they want to limit the access. And GOG is selling that as 100% DRM free and pretend that everything is great. For me that's just a lie.
They will only be banning ILLEGAL serial numbers to prevent pirates from patching during the initial patch release times. Is that a crime? Do you think they'll be intentionally banning every serial in sight because they can or something?

Also, if they shut down their servers it'll most likely be either A: For temp. maintenance & after giving notice or B: at such a time when a fully updated version of the game is out already and as such the servers will be of no further use & no one will be SOL.

Again, the game is DRM free, and the patch files are DRM free. It's the patching taking place that's possibly DRM and that's CDPR's decision not Gog's, so to call Gog liers because of something that's out of their hands is bullshit pal.
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GameRager: It's the patching taking place that's possibly DRM and that's CDPR's decision not Gog's, so to call Gog liers because of something that's out of their hands is bullshit pal.
Yet GOG does NOT inform its users about that possibility. Moreover, they claim the game is 100% DRM free. If someone says to me that something is 100% DRM free, I expect that thing to be 100% DRM free and not 99% DRM free.
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GameRager: It's the patching taking place that's possibly DRM and that's CDPR's decision not Gog's, so to call Gog liers because of something that's out of their hands is bullshit pal.
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tomba4: Yet GOG does NOT inform its users about that possibility. Moreover, they claim the game is 100% DRM free. If someone says to me that something is 100% DRM free, I expect that thing to be 100% DRM free and not 99% DRM free.
They've informed us multiple times, in this thread and others. I dunno how much more you want. A big blinking ad on the front page maybe?

Again, the game is DRM'd only according to your definition not everyone elses. This distinction becomes even more irrelevant when you factor in Gog saying they will release updated versions from time to time, rendering the "autopatcher as sole update scheme being DRM" thing moot.

Again, if you don't want to buy it then don't...but stop complaining already like some unruly and spoiled child and either say your piece once and that's that or else say nothing at all. Everything you've said has been repeated ad nauseum already so repeating it again doesn't really bring it more into the spotlight or attention of Gog/CDPR and just makes it look like more unneeded grandstanding.
Post edited May 09, 2011 by GameRager
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TheEnigmaticT: You're also conflating "GOG.com" with "CD Projekt RED". While it is true for some users that this may not be the most convenient way for them to receive patches, for the overwhelming majority of people, this is the most convenient manner to patch a game. GOG.com has no say over how CD Projekt handles patches, but we've gone the extra mile for you guys and already secured a promise that we'll be providing you guys with an updated master build of the game once the patching cycle has slowed down.

That is realistically all we can do, and it's the same thing that we do for all of our games. As far as I can see, this is a similar case to needing a CD Key from Bioware to play NWN online or having to wait a few weeks for the GOG installer to be updated to the newest version of Sturmovik.
You're right that CDPR are the ones deciding the patch process, but you guys are the ones advertising it as DRM free. If you could not secure a truly DRM free game, including patches, then you should not advertise it that way. My issue has little to do with the actual "DRM" or whatever you want to call it. I said this before: DRM is pointless, if I want a standalone patch guess what, I'll go get one, because they will be out there. I don't ever consider DRM in my purchasing decisions except for the always on Ubisoft thing.

My entire issue is the way you are advertising and selling the game. GOG.com has a specific set of principles and a DRM free mantra. Selling the game at different prices depending on region, different versions depending on region and with the patches and DLC protected with a serial code registration and patching client which alienates some users who cannot download on the same machine they game on... these things are not GOG.com in principle. My entire issue is that you should not have chosen to sell a game if you could not sell it like GOG.com should.
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GameRager: Again, if you don't want to buy it then don't...but stop complaining already
Or what? You're going to ban me for saying something you don't like?

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GameRager: Everything you've said has been repeated ad nauseum already so repeating it again doesn't really bring it more into the spotlight or attention of Gog/CDPR and just makes it look like more unneeded grandstanding.
Likewise. Since you're closed to any argument, there's little sense discussing anything with you and I've been trying to avoid that.

To summarize, different game versions:
1) Boxed: regular DRM
2) Steam: Steam DRM + regular DRM
3) GOG: Patch DRM
4) Torrent: No DRM
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GameRager: Everything you've said has been repeated ad nauseum already so repeating it again doesn't really bring it more into the spotlight or attention of Gog/CDPR and just makes it look like more unneeded grandstanding.
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tomba4: Or what? You're going to ban me for saying something you don't like?

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Likewise. Since you're closed to any argument, there's little sense discussing anything with you and I've been trying to avoid that.

To summarize, different game versions:
1) Boxed: regular DRM
2) Steam: Steam DRM + regular DRM
3) GOG: Patch DRM
4) Torrent: No DRM
1. Chill dude, it's just getting old is all. Even the serious complainants have stopped by now. And they've already gotten Gog to do so much to remedy the situation as bets as possible. Any further complaints would just be unnecessary at this point......and very whiney looking to some to boot.

2. I'm not closed to argument. I've already debated this and accepted some things others have said in here and vice versa already. What needed to be said has been said. Anything further is just repetition though, and to keep on complaining isn't helping your case or reputation any either.

3. Feel free to pirate the game if you want to, or not. Just don't complain because criminals have one aspect or owning the game easier than you because you can't stop crime short of running the world dictator style, and we all know how well that goes.

P.S. i've posted it before but here ya go. Try to guess which option you've chosen from the four provided.
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Post edited May 09, 2011 by GameRager
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GameRager: Just don't complain because criminals have one aspect or owning the game easier than you
I complain exactly because of that. I'm not going to pirate the game, I already have 2 versions of TW1 and I'm going to buy the third one here. But I'm pissed when the pirates have better experience than legitimate customers.
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GameRager: Either buy an umbrella, go inside, or stop complaining and enjoy the sun.
Or tell the sun that it should be bright the same way for everyone, as advertised.
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GameRager: Just don't complain because criminals have one aspect or owning the game easier than you
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tomba4: I complain exactly because of that. I'm not going to pirate the game, I already have 2 versions of TW1 and I'm going to buy the third one here. But I'm pissed when the pirates have better experience than legitimate customers.
Dude how old are you...but anyway, welcome to the world of gaming, where everything is not perfect.
And if you are going to get TW 2 from here then what's the problem??
You don't need to have a CD in the PC, you don't need to run some app to play and you don't have to be online to play. Just relax and enjoy the soon to be released game.
I see pointless whining
Post edited May 09, 2011 by TheEvilAlex
One day, GOG will give us a fully patched installer. That right there is good enough for me.
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TheEvilAlex: I see pointless whining
Yeah, yeah, pointless whining...