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michaelleung: Here ya go.
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Wishbone: Hehe, I don't think a random outsider troll with a single post counts in this context. Show me a similar post from someone who's actually a GOG member, then I'll be up in arms.
I actually have been displeased with GOG from time to time, saying such things as "none of these games interest me." and "when will we see something worthwhile?"
I'm more paraphrasing than direct quoting myself, but I'll go ahead and say these things now: Most of these games are uninteresting.
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JudasIscariot: To add to Cogadh's statement, I like to think that the silence of support usually means they are aware of the problem and are currently working on it as best and as fast as they possibly can without rushing out some cobbled solution that may cause more problems than it fixes.
My experience with support has been nothing but satisfactory so far and, unless they are replaced by pod people, I expect it to be so later down the line.
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Andy_Panthro: I would imagine trying to get some of these games working well for the majority is a tough process, and I appreciate their efforts.
However, what Wishbone might appreciate is a little message telling him that they are working on the problem, but it's taking a long while to sort out. Rather than silence.

That I can agree with and I understand the frustration one would feel about waiting for 2 weeks without an answer.
Of course, it could just depend on the game. Some games before they were put through the GOG process were buggy to begin with. Anyone remember Messiah??
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bansama: As much as I like Steam, you cannot deny that they are rapidly going down hill.
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klaymen: True. For many Europeans (including me) Steam died with adding the "regional pricing" crap.

Go to google.com, search for ultrasurf, download, go to store.steampowered.com, buy games paying in USD. Problem Solved :).
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cogadh: Its not "fanboyism" at all, it is simple sociology. One person makes a statement, true or not, others back that statement up with an anecdotal, perception distorted "facts", mob mentality starts to take over and suddenly GOG's quality is on the decline. I would also suggest that your own experiences, just as mine, are not indicative of the service as a whole, i.e. what you are aware of and what is actually the case are not necessarily the same. The only difference is both you and I have had different levels of negative and positive experiences to date, which may be coloring our overall conclusions. Objectively speaking, the truth is really somewhere in the middle, which is why GOG's quality is really no different today than it was before.
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Blarg: You are trying to have it both ways here, which doesn't work. You can't say, "It can't be determined from your or my experience how GOG is doing" and then say, "Therefore, GOG is doing just as well as ever." You've asserted that you don't have the knowledge to judge, implied that judging is impossible anyway, and then made a judgment anyway.

Not at all. As I said, objectively speaking, GOG's service must be somewhere in between my experiences and Wishbone's (and yours, for that matter). Each of us is stating that the service is at some level based on our own experiences, we cannot possibly all be right, plus we are just a few specific instances of the GOG experience who actually bothered to report on it. The truth is far more likely with those who don't bother to report the exceptionally good or bad experiences, i.e. we are the exceptions, they are the rule. The key to keeping GOG on that even keel is to keep reporting those exceptional experiences. The hazard of that is it can create a false public impression, either far too positive or far too negative, which I believe is what has already happened here.
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JudasIscariot: Of course, it could just depend on the game. Some games before they were put through the GOG process were buggy to begin with. Anyone remember Messiah??

There are a ton of games out there that have been buggy. I hope when GOG does something like buys rights to a company's catalogue, it doesn't feel compelled to offer (or isn't contractually obligated to offer) all the losers just because there are a few must-have winners in the package. I hope the gameplay experience is important to them.
That's one of the key and few things I could see bringing down GOG. If it becomes COG (Crappy Old Games) or MOG (Mediocre Old Games) or CROG (Completely Random Old Games). There's a sort of trust in GOG that I think is widely shared at this point, and I could see that being squandered by the average company very easily. I've seen it happen with lots of companies before.
If GOG becomes successful enough to get bought out, particularly, the service could go into immediate and permanent decline as a new owner capitalizes off GOG's reputation and goodwill until both are finally driven into the dirt.
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klaymen: True. For many Europeans (including me) Steam died with adding the "regional pricing" crap.
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A-Pock: Go to google.com, search for ultrasurf, download, go to store.steampowered.com, buy games paying in USD. Problem Solved :).
then when you start steam without that program, have those games permanently removed from your account and have to pay for them again.
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JudasIscariot: Of course, it could just depend on the game. Some games before they were put through the GOG process were buggy to begin with. Anyone remember Messiah??
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Blarg: There are a ton of games out there that have been buggy. I hope when GOG does something like buys rights to a company's catalogue, it doesn't feel compelled to offer (or isn't contractually obligated to offer) all the losers just because there are a few must-have winners in the package. I hope the gameplay experience is important to them.
That's one of the key and few things I could see bringing down GOG. If it becomes COG (Crappy Old Games) or MOG (Mediocre Old Games) or CROG (Completely Random Old Games). There's a sort of trust in GOG that I think is widely shared at this point, and I could see that being squandered by the average company very easily. I've seen it happen with lots of companies before.
If GOG becomes successful enough to get bought out, particularly, the service could go into immediate and permanent decline as a new owner capitalizes off GOG's reputation and goodwill until both are finally driven into the dirt.

On that we can agree 100%. The last thing I want to happen to GOG is for it to become the discount bin of games that no one wanted in the first place. It is far more likely (IMO) that the quality of GOG's games will decline before the quality of the service does. Unfortunately, it is really up to what the publishers are willing to offer GOG, so if all they are willing to give GOG is crap, then all GOG will have is crap and I'm not sure there is much we can really do about that.
Post edited April 13, 2009 by cogadh
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A-Pock: Go to google.com, search for ultrasurf, download, go to store.steampowered.com, buy games paying in USD. Problem Solved :).
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Weclock: then when you start steam without that program, have those games permanently removed from your account and have to pay for them again.

ultrasurf is a program that starts IE using a proxy located in the US, it's not a "hack" tool. All you do is buy a game on the actual steam website (not in the Steam app). I fail to see how "traveling to the US for a weekend and buying a few steam games while staying there" will make your games disappear.
Also, if I go to the steam website on my university all the prices show up in USD, will they also remove the games from my account if the buy a game at school? Doubt it..
It's pretty known that you can't proxy traffic going through the steam application, no one ever said you can't use a proxy on a web browser..
Post edited April 13, 2009 by A-Pock
Yeah. I just dread the shovelware stage, if it ever comes to that.
I'm iffy about some of the games I've seen here so far, but I still feel there's probably a better than average chance that most of them were put here because they were authentically good or at least very popular(and still hopefully decent). That makes me more willing to buy games than I would be if GOG just became a distributor of random cheap crap.
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Blarg: There are a ton of games out there that have been buggy. I hope when GOG does something like buys rights to a company's catalogue, it doesn't feel compelled to offer (or isn't contractually obligated to offer) all the losers just because there are a few must-have winners in the package. I hope the gameplay experience is important to them.
That's one of the key and few things I could see bringing down GOG. If it becomes COG (Crappy Old Games) or MOG (Mediocre Old Games) or CROG (Completely Random Old Games). There's a sort of trust in GOG that I think is widely shared at this point, and I could see that being squandered by the average company very easily. I've seen it happen with lots of companies before.
If GOG becomes successful enough to get bought out, particularly, the service could go into immediate and permanent decline as a new owner capitalizes off GOG's reputation and goodwill until both are finally driven into the dirt.
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cogadh: On that we can agree 100%. The last thing I want to happen to GOG is for it to become the discount bin of games that no one wanted in the first place. It is far more likely (IMO) that the quality of GOG's games will decline before the quality of the service does. Unfortunately, it is really up to what the publishers are willing to offer GOG, so if all they are willing to give GOG is crap, then all GOG will have is crap and I'm not sure there is much we can really do about that.

We can vote with our currency of choice and not buy the crap that does get offered...
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Weclock: then when you start steam without that program, have those games permanently removed from your account and have to pay for them again.
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A-Pock: ultrasurf is a program that starts IE using a proxy located in the US, it's not a "hack" tool. All you do is buy a game on the actual steam website (not in the Steam app). I fail to see how "traveling to the US for a weekend and buying a few steam games while staying there" will make your games disappear.
Also, if I go to the steam website on my university all the prices show up in USD, will they also remove the games from my account if the buy a game at school? Doubt it..
It's pretty known that you can't proxy traffic going through the steam application, no one ever said you can't use a proxy on a web browser..

The problem is Steam region restricts games, so once you start up Steam in your actual region, it will know you are not in the US where you (supposedly) bought the game. If the game you bought was restricted from your region, you will lose it the moment you log into Steam.
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cogadh: On that we can agree 100%. The last thing I want to happen to GOG is for it to become the discount bin of games that no one wanted in the first place. It is far more likely (IMO) that the quality of GOG's games will decline before the quality of the service does. Unfortunately, it is really up to what the publishers are willing to offer GOG, so if all they are willing to give GOG is crap, then all GOG will have is crap and I'm not sure there is much we can really do about that.
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JudasIscariot: We can vote with our currency of choice and not buy the crap that does get offered...

True, but that could lead to GOG just going out of business from lack of sales. Instead of discouraging certain sales, how could we go about encouraging the sales of games we actually want?
Post edited April 13, 2009 by cogadh
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A-Pock: ultrasurf is a program that starts IE using a proxy located in the US, it's not a "hack" tool. All you do is buy a game on the actual steam website (not in the Steam app). I fail to see how "traveling to the US for a weekend and buying a few steam games while staying there" will make your games disappear.
Also, if I go to the steam website on my university all the prices show up in USD, will they also remove the games from my account if the buy a game at school? Doubt it..
It's pretty known that you can't proxy traffic going through the steam application, no one ever said you can't use a proxy on a web browser..
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cogadh: The problem is Steam region restricts games, so once you start up Steam in your actual region, it will know you are not in the US where you (supposedly) bought the game. If the game you bought was restricted from your region, you will lose it the moment you log into Steam.
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cogadh: On that we can agree 100%. The last thing I want to happen to GOG is for it to become the discount bin of games that no one wanted in the first place. It is far more likely (IMO) that the quality of GOG's games will decline before the quality of the service does. Unfortunately, it is really up to what the publishers are willing to offer GOG, so if all they are willing to give GOG is crap, then all GOG will have is crap and I'm not sure there is much we can really do about that.
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JudasIscariot: We can vote with our currency of choice and not buy the crap that does get offered...
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JudasIscariot: True, but that could lead to GOG just going out of business from lack of sales. Instead of discouraging certain sales, how could we go about encouraging the sales of games we actually want?

I have no definite answer to that question other than voting with your dollars and perhaps being vocal using the Feedback portion of the website to have our opinion known. it has been shown that GOG does take some of the more intelligent feedback and implements it if it proves to be feasible...
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Weclock: then when you start steam without that program, have those games permanently removed from your account and have to pay for them again.
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A-Pock: ultrasurf is a program that starts IE using a proxy located in the US, it's not a "hack" tool. All you do is buy a game on the actual steam website (not in the Steam app). I fail to see how "traveling to the US for a weekend and buying a few steam games while staying there" will make your games disappear.
um, because the people at steam recognize that you bought something "outside of your market" and will remove it from you account and force you to pay "full price." for it.
they did it with multiple games, and there are multiple horror stories of people who bought a game while on vacation, brought home their retail copy, and when they went to activate it, the game was removed a short time later.
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A-Pock: ultrasurf is a program that starts IE using a proxy located in the US, it's not a "hack" tool. All you do is buy a game on the actual steam website (not in the Steam app). I fail to see how "traveling to the US for a weekend and buying a few steam games while staying there" will make your games disappear.
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Weclock: um, because the people at steam recognize that you bought something "outside of your market" and will remove it from you account and force you to pay "full price." for it.
they did it with multiple games, and there are multiple horror stories of people who bought a game while on vacation, brought home their retail copy, and when they went to activate it, the game was removed a short time later.

Yes, but the people who bought those retail copies did not do so on the USA, as you would be doing with my solution :). Everyone knows buying steam games in vietnam or russia is not wise..
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Weclock: um, because the people at steam recognize that you bought something "outside of your market" and will remove it from you account and force you to pay "full price." for it.
they did it with multiple games, and there are multiple horror stories of people who bought a game while on vacation, brought home their retail copy, and when they went to activate it, the game was removed a short time later.
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A-Pock: Yes, but the people who bought those retail copies did not do so on the USA, as you would be doing with my solution :). Everyone knows buying steam games in vietnam or russia is not wise..

You miss the point, it doesn't matter where you purchased the game, what matters (to Steam) is where you use it. So if you purchase it "in the US" as you would with Ultrasurf, the moment you "return" to your own country, say Russia or Vietnam, your IP address tells Steam that you are in a restricted area and removes the game from your account.