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KingofGnG: Bullshit :-P One of the best things about the Bitmap Brothers' production is that they made great PC conversions, and except for some nice digital audio effects in the OST their PC games are second to no Amiga whatsoever....
A simple glance at Mobygames' screenshots tells us that Delixe ain't bullshitting. In terms of both graphics and sound, the PC versions were worse. Because at the time the PC was the weaker platform. You're right that the Bitmap Brother's did the best they could though.
Yeah, I'd love to see some Bitmap Brothers games. I'd also love to see some Amiga games.
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tomimt: The question is though, will GOG change its stand on emulation. As their unwillingness to sell emulated games is the main issues here.
DOSBox.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by eyeball226
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KingofGnG: Bullshit :-P One of the best things about the Bitmap Brothers' production is that they made great PC conversions, and except for some nice digital audio effects in the OST their PC games are second to no Amiga whatsoever....
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Navagon: A simple glance at Mobygames' screenshots tells us that Delixe ain't bullshitting. In terms of both graphics and sound, the PC versions were worse. Because at the time the PC was the weaker platform. You're right that the Bitmap Brother's did the best they could though.
Yes, at the time Amiga had the highest number of colours on screen, Atari St the best sound... And PC were better in anything. Well, just one thing... It was a open platform. A few years latter the PC´s were better in everything, and closed systems like Amiga, Atari... Disappeared, only Mac survived. I think It´s Unix-based OS was a point in favour for them.
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tomimt: The question is though, will GOG change its stand on emulation. As their unwillingness to sell emulated games is the main issues here.
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eyeball226: DOSBox.
Read answer N 13
Post edited April 24, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
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eyeball226: DOSBox.
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tejozaszaszas: Read answer N 13
Yes, I know about the licensing issues, I was simply pointing out to tomimt that GOG has nothing against emulation.
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tejozaszaszas: A few years latter the PC´s were better in everything, and closed systems like Amiga, Atari... Disappeared, only Mac survived. I think It´s Unix-based OS was a point in favour for them.
Such is the fate of closed systems. I don't know what happened to Atari and Commodore, to be honest. But I bet it boiled down to Apple having the soundest business plan. They had already targeted themselves at a market which is more sustainable for repeatedly buying whole new systems every few years.

Whereas Atari and Amiga were more in direct competition with the PC; and as closed systems they perhaps proved to be less desirable in the long run.
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tejozaszaszas: But GOG may need to pay for the amiga ROM... A program with the legal ROM like Amiga Forever costs 30 euro...
GOG could agree to sell the ROM separately. That way people buy the ROM first, then however many games they like after that.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by Navagon
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tejozaszaszas: A few years latter the PC´s were better in everything, and closed systems like Amiga, Atari... Disappeared, only Mac survived. I think It´s Unix-based OS was a point in favour for them.
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Navagon: Such is the fate of closed systems. I don't know what happened to Atari and Commodore, to be honest. But I bet it boiled down to Apple having the soundest business plan. They had already targeted themselves at a market which is more sustainable for repeatedly buying whole new systems every few years.

Whereas Atari and Amiga were more in direct competition with the PC; and as closed systems they perhaps proved to be less desirable in the long run.
It wasn´t the closed system that brought the Amiga down, it was maybe the 1st and ultimate victim of piracy. So no one wanted to develop for it anymore.
Agreed some late decision at Commodore did not help either but piracy finished it off.
Also essentially Amiga was UNIX/BSD based. So that´s not the point.
Apple was a similar a closed product by the time also. But the market was less gamer and more professionals & businesses. Who could actually afford it.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by dyscode
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dyscode: Apple was a similar a closed product by the time also. But the market was less gamer and more professionals & businesses. Who could actually afford it.
That's what I meant when I said that Apple had targeted a sustainable market whereas Amiga and Atari were aimed at the home user.

I didn't realise though that it was piracy that had such a detrimental impact on those platforms. I would have thought that the expense of upgrading would have been the more significant problem. Especially considering how prices have actually decreased* over time, ignoring inflation entirely. But if they couldn't get the developers on board anymore then the platform is dead and that's the end of it.

* average system cost then compared to the average system cost now.
btw, lol at the idea that the Atari ST had better sound than the Amiga. :D
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dyscode: Agreed some late decision at Commodore did not help either but piracy finished it off.
I'm reminded at this point of the old joke about the incompetence of the Commodore marketing department.

"If Commodore bought Kentucky Fried Chicken, they'd rename it Warm Dead Bird."
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StarEye: btw, lol at the idea that the Atari ST had better sound than the Amiga. :D
I was not referring to the late Amiga models, at 1986 the time my father bought to me my first computer (1040 Stfm) Atari sounded much better.
And one more thing, Atari, I mean actual Atari, owns the rights for the original ROMs. So, considering that they are a GOG signed publisher, maybe there is a chance to get them.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
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Navagon: Such is the fate of closed systems. I don't know what happened to Atari and Commodore, to be honest. But I bet it boiled down to Apple having the soundest business plan. They had already targeted themselves at a market which is more sustainable for repeatedly buying whole new systems every few years.

Whereas Atari and Amiga were more in direct competition with the PC; and as closed systems they perhaps proved to be less desirable in the long run.
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dyscode: It wasn´t the closed system that brought the Amiga down, it was maybe the 1st and ultimate victim of piracy. So no one wanted to develop for it anymore.
Agreed some late decision at Commodore did not help either but piracy finished it off.
Also essentially Amiga was UNIX/BSD based. So that´s not the point.
Apple was a similar a closed product by the time also. But the market was less gamer and more professionals & businesses. Who could actually afford it.
Are you really sure that a closed system was not a factor against them?. The gaming industry is a hightly competitive sector that requires hight tecnical improvements. On a open plattform like PC Cyrix and Intel developed awesome processors, Creative awesome sound cards, S3 great graphic cards... A company can´t be a leading one in every aspect. So the old gaming computers were replaced by modern consoles, a simple system oriented only for gaming.
Maybe I´m mistaken but I think Amiga OS is not a Unix based one. Later, at 1990 (not sure), they introduced a Unix based one called Amix, but software developed under Amiga OS were not compatible. Don´t blame me if I´m mistaken, I was only ten years old, so can´t be totally sure.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by tejozaszaszas
Personally, I miss computers like the Amiga and the C64. It had the simplicity of the consoles, and the depth of a PC. There was no limit to what you could do with them. They had the best of both worlds, and I would certainly have wanted them to survive.

The PC still struggles to offers such a versatile and ease of use as those computers. The PCs plug and play feature isn't even close to the abilty of the plug and play the Amiga offered.
The Amiga wasn't a completely closed system, though. Yes, only Commodore could actually build Amiga computers, but in terms of upgrades it was open for all. My old Amiga 1200 is equipped with a 030/50 Mhz Blizzard accelerator card with 16 MB RAM, as well as am internal hard drive and external CD-Rom drive. None of that came from Commodore.

There were also advanced graphics cards, but I never bought anything like that.

I also miss the Amiga. Even into the mid-late nineties it was in most ways a much better system than the PC, although the PC had the raw processing power that the Amiga couldn't compete with. I honestly think that if the Amiga had not died, computing would have been much more enjoyable today.

I also liked how the Amiga OS was much more open and understandable than the Windows-based systems. If something got screwed up, you could use simple tools (such as Snoopdos) to find out what was wrong and fix it. On the PC you basically had one option unless you were an expert computer user: reformat and reinstall Windows. And back before external hard drives and internet based backups got popular, that was a humongous pain in the arse.
okay, maybe the right wording would be: GOG's unwillingness to emulate other than Microsoft OS based games.
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Pheace: I miss amiga games :(

North and South
Deuteros: The next Milennium
Body Blows
Pinball Dreams/Fantasies
Wings
Dune 1/2
Flashback
Syndicate
Megalomania
Centurion: Defender of Rome
Populous
Ports of Call
Project X

There we go. Make it a single amiga pack, 5.99, instabuy xD
Hell yes! The Amiga had a huge amount of excellent titles, and in most cases they were far superior to their PC counterparts.

From The Bitmap Brothers, The Chaos Engine was one of my favorites. And Speedball!

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tejozaszaszas: But GOG may need to pay for the amiga ROM... A program with the legal ROM like Amiga Forever costs 30 euro...
http://www.amigaforever.com/
If you can afford it, I highly recommend this software package. It's very easy to use and gets updated frequently. I've been using it for years and it's given me much enjoyment.