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anjohl: Incorrect. Atheism has no dogma, no tenets - just a non-belief in a deity or deities. It is the inverted form of theism, that is all. You can be a religious person and be an atheist at the same time - in fact there are entire religions that are non-theistic. It is you who is trying to compare apples and oranges - please stop.
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Strix: Struck a nerve eh? I can certainly sit here and flesh out a logical, infallible argument proving that atheism is as dogmatic and posesses as much doctrine as any other religion....but like any other closed system, adherents resist any and all logic as an article of "faith". Of course, the atheist replaces the word faith with fancy ones like "not likely" or "likely", which all in this context have about just as much credability as faith.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by anjohl
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anjohl: I can certainly sit here and flesh out a logical, infallible argument proving that atheism is as dogmatic and posesses as much doctrine as any other religion

Let me get some popcorn first, because this should be quite amusing.
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anjohl: I can certainly sit here and flesh out a logical, infallible argument proving that atheism is as dogmatic and posesses as much doctrine as any other religion.

Yes you have stuck a nerve - the one connected to detecting lies. And before you go on with your so-called "infallible argument" I will call you on your bullshit now and say that you are full of yourself. When you say you are an atheist you are only saying one thing and one thing along; you are saying that you lack a belief in a deity or deities. The primary definition, atheism is, quote, "a disbelief in the existence of deity." This is not dogmatic. Now, if you are talking about gnostic atheism I would agree that that would fit the second definition, quote "the doctrine that there is no deity," but to say that all atheists follow that doctrine would be an outright lie. You are trying to compare a religion, id est a, quote, "...personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices" to a belief, id est "something believed." You can no more say that atheism is a religion than you can say that the belief that cookies are the best food is a religion. Now please crawl back into your troll-hole or come up with some "facts" that are actually factual.
Sources:
The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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anjohl: I can certainly sit here and flesh out a logical, infallible argument proving that atheism is as dogmatic and posesses as much doctrine as any other religion
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DarrkPhoenix: Let me get some popcorn first, because this should be quite amusing.

Yes, it should be amusing. Sadly I have to get some work done before I get to sleep -as I *gasp* actually have real work that needs to be done and cannot spend all my time combating troll-like creatures- and so I might not get to read his reply until much later.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by Strix
God damn it, it's freezing today. And those idiot weather people claim it's going to be warm today? As if.
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michaelleung: God damn it, it's freezing today. And those idiot weather people claim it's going to be warm today? As if.

Depends on your definition of "warm"?
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Strix: Longwinded wall of meaningless text with assorted pro-Atheist rubbish which makes my point sound vallid since the pargraph is long.

You must be new. I don't do shit-slinging contensts on the internet. Sorry, try someone else. Oh, and don't burn your Hitchens/Dawkins collection now that it's not a cool "anti-religion" to be an atheist anymore. An atheist is by definition the most arrogant, dangerous person on earth. Well, that or a religious fundamentalism. You like citing things? I cite the entirely of the following books, if you have ever READ a book that wasn't mandatory:
Dennet: Breaking the Spell
Harris: End of Faith
Not all of the anti-religious are ignorant, dangerous liars like Dawkins.
PS, I don't rIpeat winning conclusions in debates, so additional replies from me will not be needed. If you have anything else you would like to discuss, please feel free to contact me directly.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by anjohl
Well, I must say, that did give me a good laugh.
Oh, and Strix, don't let anjohl's response get you riled up. His MO here is to get people riled up and draw them into a protracted match of petty insults, although if someone doesn't fully take his bait he tends to just proclaim that he's already won the argument and not respond much further. Haven't decided yet whether he's purposefully trolling or just exceedingly sophomoric. Either way, once a discussion with him has gotten to this point it's probably not worth your time to pursue further.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by DarrkPhoenix
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anjohl: Oh, and don't burn your Hitchens/Dawkins collection now that it's not a cool "anti-religion" to be an atheist anymore.

Firstly, I don't have a collection of Hitchens and the only Dawkins titles I own are related to my field of study - id est biology (and even those are not directly related as he mainly focuses on evolutionary biology while I am in epidemiology). Secondly, while I never said I was an atheist -oh yes, you did miss that fact and assumed, correctly, that I am an agnostic atheist- I can assure you that the last thing I want to be is "cool." Still, good job using an obvious attack against the person rather against the argument.
An atheist is by definition the most arrogant, dangerous person on earth.

That clearly not true as you have already taken the crown for arrogance and ignorance. And no, that was not, I will quote myself so you don't have to, "an attack against the person instead of the argument" as you have proved this through your posts and false-claims.
I cite the entirely of the following books, if you have ever READ a book that wasn't mandatory...

Do I detect both an ad hominem and non sequitur attack?! Yes I think I do! Anyways, I'll just go ahead and destroy your arguments fun the fun of it. Just as the Bible does not dictate what a theist believes, the books you cited do not have anything to do with what an individual atheist believes. This is what you do not understand. Atheism is not a religion, it has no tenets and no dogma. The only thing that it takes to be an atheist is a lack of a belief in a god or gods. Nothing more and nothing less.
P.S. You're a troll who has yet to prove anything but his hubris and innate ignorance.
P.P.S. I wonder if you'll actually be able to sit on your hands and keep your mouth closed... I suspect that this will not be the case.
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DarrkPhoenix: Oh, and Strix, don't let anjohl's response get you riled up.

I haven't. At the moment I'm just wondering what attack, or, rather, fallacy, will be used next.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by Strix
Wow, just played WoW... AND IT SUCKS!!
Can someone please explain to me why people pay for this? It feels exactly like a one of the many free Asian MMOs out their, the graphics (While cartoon-like and bright) are starting to annoy me since my character looks like a zit (Well, it is a troll...), the game makes you pay to continue playing, and the fact is it is just so damn boring doing the same quests over and over again. Really, I have done maybe 200 'go here and kill x monster of grinding' quests in many MMOs and this one barely distinguishes itself from the masses. I'm sticking to Runescape if you don't mind...
Now, I will say there is some variety among gameplay, it isn't that bad. It's just not really that interesting IMO, I could play something like Zomg! and find it more fun than this. So...yeah, done bashing.
Oh and too the people discussing Atheism and religion, who cares? If your an Atheist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, whatever, big deal. Agnosticism ftw.
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anjohl: Relatively good summary. Also included in Agnostic (Strong) would be those that call themselves "spiritual", who find the term religion offensive.

People who're spiritual yet bow before no god are atheists. You're either a theist or you're an atheist. There is no middle ground. Atheism in no way precludes having a spiritual side. In fact, most Buddhists are atheists (Buddhism is open to theism, just doesn't encourage it).
You know what the problem with Steam is, guys? I'll tell you.
It ****ING RUNS MODERN WARFARE 2 WHEN THE GAME UPDATES. That is UNCALLED FOR. I will DECIDE for MYSELF when I'm going to play that damned game.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by PhoenixWright
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Rohan15: Agnosticism ftw.

You mean those who misunderstand what that term means should be lauded? Because it's clear that you're doing that. ;p
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anjohl: You must be new. I don't do shit-slinging contensts on the internet.

Why do you always resort to that same tired retort whenever you're proven wrong? It's not like it has ever worked.
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PhoenixWright: It ****ING RUNS MODERN WARFARE 2 WHEN THE GAME UPDATES. That is UNCALLED FOR. I will DECIDE for MYSELF when I'm going to play that damned game.

That's what you get for buying that overpriced expansion pack of a console port.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by Navagon
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Rohan15: Can someone please explain to me why people pay for this?

No, sorry, I'm not going to try convincing you of playing something you don't enjoy, much less pay for it. To each his own, I won't play the majority of FPS'es out there unless I get paid for doing so, and even then I wouldn't be bothered to actually put any effort in.
The reason WoW and many asian free-to-play MMO's look and feel the same is because the latter copied the former, because it quickly became the most successful game in the genre for some reason, so they want to ride on the same formula.
Suffice to say I enjoy WoW a fair bit, but I often go a few weeks or a couple of months between expiry and renewal. Like most games, I play it for the story and environments, RAIDs and PvP can go FOAD for all I care.
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Navagon: That's what you get for buying that overpriced expansion pack of a console port.

I feel ashamed, but I will definitely get more than $60 worth of pleasure out of it.... it's a rough life.