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Posted November 15, 2009
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Miaghstir: Nah, PSU works. I was thinking it might be the RAM as it stops before it should display how much I've got. So I tried switching the two 1GB sticks I have now for an old pair of 512 MB sticks that /should/ work (though the two pairs don't like each other, and the larger pair is faster, which is why I didn't use both to begin with) didn't make a difference though.

Hmm, if the computer won't even POST successfully and it's not a problem with the PSU or RAM then that narrows it down to either the CPU (unlikely) or a problem with the motherboard. You might want to do a careful visual inspection of the motherboard to see if any of the capacitors on it are leaking or bulging.
Posted November 15, 2009
The only thing I can add is check the bios is configured correctly. But it probably is.
Posted November 15, 2009
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Lucibel: The only thing I can add is check the bios is configured correctly. But it probably is.

It was working fine until a couple of days ago, when trying to do anything in Windows Explorer (renaming, copying, creating, deleting a file/folder) locked the active window up tight for a long time, and today when it didn't want to start up.
Capacitors... ah, yes, I've had trouble with those before (on another mobo/CPU combo)... but no, they seem fine.
*Grumble* guess I'll have to order that upgrade even if I really should save the money.
Posted November 15, 2009
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akwater: Sorry...shouldn't be complaining about vacation time, anyone have a suggestion?

How about here? It's really nice. :)
/shameless self-promotion
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: snippity snip
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chautemoc: Interesting views, although I'd beg to differ some. I guess it's a matter of perception: I see religion, at its best anyway, as a manifestation of spirituality. I think we're all spiritual, so...
(Just popped in here...no idea how this evolved into a discussion of atheism. I'm thinking a thread such as this could not accomplish such a feat in most forums...good going guys. ;) )

Lofl, *I* am not an atheist. Atheism is as much a religion as any other. Nor am I agnostic, though in strict categorization terms I suppose that is closer. I think only a fool could be an atheist.
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lackoo1111: EA Store atm. Can't purchase SimCity Societies Destinations.Fu...ing server errors.

That's probably some kama you are owed trying to do you a favor...
Post edited November 16, 2009 by anjohl
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Lofl, *I* am not an atheist. Atheism is as much a religion as any other.

Atheism is as much a religion as baldness is a hair color.
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Lofl, *I* am not an atheist. Atheism is as much a religion as any other.
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DarrkPhoenix: Atheism is as much a religion as baldness is a hair color.

Or as much a religion as not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Lofl, *I* am not an atheist. Atheism is as much a religion as any other.
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DarrkPhoenix: Atheism is as much a religion as baldness is a hair color.

Terrible analogy. Atheism is just the other side of the same ignorant coin as religion, so they are synonymous. Anyone purporting to tell you that they have the answer to any such question is trying to sell you something.
Of course, it's demonstratable fact that 99.99999% of religious doctrine/belief is wrong, but it's easy to disprove a lot fo atheism claims as well. Anyone that reads Dawkins or Dennet and feels that they just read "proof" against god needs to start thinking for themselves, and stop bandwagon-jumping.
Choosing not to collect stamps is the same class of action as choosing to collect stamps. The better anlogy would be that Atheism is to religion as Democrats are to Republicans. It's all about doctrine and dogma, and atheists have as much of those as any other religion.
Post edited November 16, 2009 by anjohl
Posted November 16, 2009
I hate RegSoft.
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Terrible analogy. Atheism is just the other side of the same ignorant coin as religion, so they are synonymous. Anyone purporting to tell you that they have the answer to any such question is trying to sell you something.
Of course, it's demonstratable fact that 99.99999% of religious doctrine/belief is wrong, but it's easy to disprove a lot fo atheism claims as well.

You, like Cambrey earlier, are conflating strong atheism with atheism in general. All atheism refers to is the lack of a belief in a god. There are no claims, no beliefs, no doctrines, it is simply the lack of one particular belief.
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Terrible analogy. Atheism is just the other side of the same ignorant coin as religion, so they are synonymous. Anyone purporting to tell you that they have the answer to any such question is trying to sell you something.
Of course, it's demonstratable fact that 99.99999% of religious doctrine/belief is wrong, but it's easy to disprove a lot fo atheism claims as well.
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DarrkPhoenix: You, like Cambrey earlier, are conflating strong atheism with atheism in general. All atheism refers to is the lack of a belief in a god. There are no claims, no beliefs, no doctrines, it is simply the lack of one particular belief.

Atheism: There is no god
Theism: There is one or more gods (depending on your specific belief)
Agnosticism: There may or may not be any gods (you don't really care about it)
Posted November 16, 2009
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anjohl: Now, religion can easily be disproven, but noone can argue that god exists, nor that it doesn't. If a given debate has no associated facts, then it is virtually undebatable, and thus is irrelevant. It's like the debate over whether alines exist...the math supports both sides. Debating whether god exists is like debating whether or not the Rolling Stones or Aerosmith are the better band. It's a completely biased and subjective argument, and has no possibility of resolution.

The claim of absolute knowledge is one of the most common misrepresentations of atheism: the real disagreement is not whether it can be proven, beyond doubt, that a god does or doesn't exist, but whether is reasonable to ASSUME there's one.
Even Dawkins whom you criticize has stressed he's an agnostic atheist:
[url=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability[/url]
If i tell you that I rigged your computer monitor with explosives thanks to my magical internet powers, chances are that you are not hurl it out of the window or call a bomb disposal squad: common sense will led you to dismiss my extraordinary and unsubstantiated claim right away.
Absolute knowledge is an unreasonable and unreachable standard, whether people want to admit it or not.
And "strong" (gnostic) atheism is perfectly reasonable in regard of specific, internally inconsistent deities: I know that square circles don't exist without having to check every corner of the universe.
Posted November 16, 2009
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Miaghstir: Atheism: There is no god
Theism: There is one or more gods (depending on your specific belief)
Agnosticism: There may or may not be any gods (you don't really care about it)

Agnostic (weak) atheist: I don't believe in any god. Either all religions seem false to me or I simply don't care about religion at all. But I make no statements of certainty regarding that which is unknown to both myself and the entire rest of mankind.
Strong atheist: There is no god.
Agnostic (weak) theist: I believe there is a god, but I accept that I cannot prove its existence. But it seems more likely to me that there is a god than not.
Strong theist: Burn the heretics! Slay the unrighteous! Let the wretched bastards know the flames that await them for the rest of eternity! In HIS name!
Posted November 17, 2009
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Miaghstir: Atheism: There is no god
Theism: There is one or more gods (depending on your specific belief)
Agnosticism: There may or may not be any gods (you don't really care about it)
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Navagon: Agnostic (weak) atheist: I don't believe in any god. Either all religions seem false to me or I simply don't care about religion at all. But I make no statements of certainty regarding that which is unknown to both myself and the entire rest of mankind.
Strong atheist: There is no god.
Agnostic (weak) theist: I believe there is a god, but I accept that I cannot prove its existence. But it seems more likely to me that there is a god than not.
Strong theist: Burn the heretics! Slay the unrighteous! Let the wretched bastards know the flames that await them for the rest of eternity! In HIS name!

Relatively good summary. Also included in Agnostic (Strong) would be those that call themselves "spiritual", who find the term religion offensive.
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anjohl: Now, religion can easily be disproven, but noone can argue that god exists, nor that it doesn't. If a given debate has no associated facts, then it is virtually undebatable, and thus is irrelevant. It's like the debate over whether alines exist...the math supports both sides. Debating whether god exists is like debating whether or not the Rolling Stones or Aerosmith are the better band. It's a completely biased and subjective argument, and has no possibility of resolution.
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Bulletmagn3t: The claim of absolute knowledge is one of the most common misrepresentations of atheism: the real disagreement is not whether it can be proven, beyond doubt, that a god does or doesn't exist, but whether is reasonable to ASSUME there's one.
Even Dawkins whom you criticize has stressed he's an agnostic atheist:
[url=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability[/url]
If i tell you that I rigged your computer monitor with explosives thanks to my magical internet powers, chances are that you are not hurl it out of the window or call a bomb disposal squad: common sense will led you to dismiss my extraordinary and unsubstantiated claim right away.
Absolute knowledge is an unreasonable and unreachable standard, whether people want to admit it or not.
And "strong" (gnostic) atheism is perfectly reasonable in regard of specific, internally inconsistent deities: I know that square circles don't exist without having to check every corner of the universe.

Religion's problem is it's closed-system style of arrangement. Now, perhaps it's all true, but I find it hard to believe that the punishment for not following a non-sensical book is eternal damnation in an "afterlife", since all of those concepts are fictional.
Post edited November 17, 2009 by anjohl
Posted November 17, 2009
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anjohl: Atheism is just the other side of the same ignorant coin as religion, so they are synonymous.

Incorrect. Atheism has no dogma, no tenets - just a non-belief in a deity or deities. It is the inverted form of theism, that is all. You can be a religious person and be an atheist at the same time - in fact there are entire religions that are non-theistic. It is you who is trying to compare apples and oranges - please stop.
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