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Immoli: And the pirates are able to play the game without worrying about DRM, as usual.
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Egotomb: You have the option to buy it and not worry about DRM too.
Heck, they have the option to buy it, and have a single online activation, and the notion that it'll be DRM free at some point in the future to make sure you can keep playing it.

Still not enough for some apparently, despite it being a good game :)
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Pheace: Heck, they have the option to buy it, and have a single online activation, and the notion that it'll be DRM free at some point in the future to make sure you can keep playing it.
Given that the dev already changed its mind once on the "let's remove DRM one year after release" thing and doesn't seem to really give a damn about it; this "notion" appear to be rather "uncertain" to say the least...
Post edited May 09, 2012 by Gersen
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Pheace: Heck, they have the option to buy it, and have a single online activation, and the notion that it'll be DRM free at some point in the future to make sure you can keep playing it.
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Gersen: Given that the dev already changed its mind once on the "let's remove DRM one year after release" thing and doesn't seem to really give a damn about it; this "notion" appear to be rather "uncertain" to say the least.
I guess, if you want to overlook the notion that they were planning to make it DRM free after a year because they figured they'd have stopped supporting it by then already. Apparently it was so popular they are actually investing more in it, and will make it DRM free when they're done doing that.

Sounds reasonable to me. But then I'm not fazed by a one time online check DRM.
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Pheace: I guess, if you want to overlook the notion that they were planning to make it DRM free after a year because they figured they'd have stopped supporting it by then already. Apparently it was so popular they are actually investing more in it, and will make it DRM free when they're done doing that.
Then again, at that point they probably couldn't care less about their old obsolete game and the former customers anymore, even as much as to remove the "light DRM" from it that "no one should really care about anyway". Could be that the devs who knew how to remove the DRM from the source code had fled the company already at that point to pursue other careers in banking business and professional wrestling.

Either way, I am not going to reward making of empty promises. It sends the wrong signal that it makes sense to make empty promises in order to sell more copies, which in turn makes the world a little bit more mirthless place.

Luckily I have buttloads of other interesting games to play in the meantime, I wasn't going to start playing SPAZ right now anyway. The question merely was whether I'd buy it into my backlog already now to possibly play sometime in the future. The answer is no.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by timppu
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Pheace: I guess, if you want to overlook the notion that they were planning to make it DRM free after a year because they figured they'd have stopped supporting it by then already. Apparently it was so popular they are actually investing more in it, and will make it DRM free when they're done doing that.
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timppu: Then again, at that point they probably couldn't care less about their old obsolete game and the former customers anymore, even as much as to remove the "light DRM" from it that "no one should really care about anyway". Could be that the devs who knew how to remove the DRM from the source code had fled the company already at that point to pursue other careers in banking business and professional wrestling.

Either way, I am not going to reward making of empty promises. It sends the wrong signal that it makes sense to make empty promises in order to sell more copies, which in turn makes the world a little bit more mirtless place.

Luckily I have buttloads of other interesting games to play in the meantime, I wasn't going to start playing SPAZ right now anyway. The question merely was whether I'd buy it into my backlog already now to possibly play sometime in the future. The answer is no.
Yeah, backlogs are amazing, I have so much to play ^^ (and still buying games >.>)
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Pheace: Yeah, backlogs are amazing, I have so much to play ^^ (and still buying games >.>)
Indeedy they are, like personal libraries of unread books or unwatched DVD movies. But of course most people wouldn't fill their libraries with items that might disappear before they are even able to utilize them.

I personally am yet to finish even my first GOG game. That honor probably goes to either Gorky 17 or Baldur's Gate.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: Indeedy they are, like personal libraries of unread books or unwatched DVD movies. But of course most people wouldn't fill their libraries with items that might disappear before they even have able to utilize the item.
I do, since I don't worry about what might or may happen. I just think about my convenience and enjoyment. And if it turns out that in the long run, that might cost me some extra money then I'm fine with that, since it was my choice, and I had fun without worrying about it in the meantime ^^
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Pheace: So, is this your way of saying that it's both not true? ;)
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Kalzarius: I'm saying the usual argument is piracy = lost sales, which is not yet provable. The same cannot be said for DRM, though. I can definitively say that DRM has lost them sales, since I know a small handful of people (myself included) who will not be buying it as a result of DRM. Thus, lost sales. :)
You're confused in this case, SPAZ clearly has a "pro-piracy" but "anti-zombie" stance. The campaign makes this very clear. The game says nothing about "DRM" but "UTA" comes up a lot, generally the "UTA" is okay, unless they don't immediately hand over the "goods" in which case you should circumvent them by blowing up their space station in that system.
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Immoli: And the pirates are able to play the game without worrying about DRM, as usual.
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Egotomb: You have the option to buy it and not worry about DRM too.
You should know that what he meant by not worrying is 'not having to put up with'.
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timppu: I pretty much expected something like that, talk is always cheap. Never trust the empty "we promise to do it later..." promises.
It's the fact that they gave a date for the removal that's so annoying.
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Pheace: Heck, they have the option to buy it, and have a single online activation, and the notion that it'll be DRM free at some point in the future to make sure you can keep playing it.

Still not enough for some apparently, despite it being a good game :)
They've already broken their word. The promise that it'll be removed at some point in the future is now worthless.
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Pheace: I guess, if you want to overlook the notion that they were planning to make it DRM free after a year because they figured they'd have stopped supporting it by then already.
It was less than 3 months ago that they said they were removing the DRM on or by the 9th of May. How much could really change in two and a half months?
Post edited May 09, 2012 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: It was less than 3 months ago that they said they were removing the DRM on or by the 9th of May. How much could really change in two and a half months?
Not really to defend them breaking their word, but since you asked, when you're two guys in a garage anything might screw you over from carrying out plans, something as simple as ending up in some physical therapy from a minor car accident or someone in the family falling ill could make you late, there's no fallback when it's two guys.
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SirPrimalform: It was less than 3 months ago that they said they were removing the DRM on or by the 9th of May. How much could really change in two and a half months?
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orcishgamer: Not really to defend them breaking their word, but since you asked, when you're two guys in a garage anything might screw you over from carrying out plans, something as simple as ending up in some physical therapy from a minor car accident or someone in the family falling ill could make you late, there's no fallback when it's two guys.
Yeah, but this isn't "sorry, it's late", it's "actually we changed our mind". If they said, "sorry we haven't managed to get it together yet" I wouldn't be so disappointed.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by SirPrimalform
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orcishgamer: Not really to defend them breaking their word, but since you asked, when you're two guys in a garage anything might screw you over from carrying out plans, something as simple as ending up in some physical therapy from a minor car accident or someone in the family falling ill could make you late, there's no fallback when it's two guys.
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SirPrimalform: Yeah, but this isn't "sorry, it's late", it's "actually we changed our mind".
Ah, Got Post?
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SirPrimalform: Yeah, but this isn't "sorry, it's late", it's "actually we changed our mind".
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orcishgamer: Ah, Got Post?
http://www.spacepiratesandzombies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23417#p23417

I suppose we might be interpreting the same statement vastly differently, but what I got from it was that they'd decided not to remove it because they see no reason to yet.
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orcishgamer: Ah, Got Post?
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SirPrimalform: http://www.spacepiratesandzombies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23417#p23417

I suppose we might be interpreting the same statement vastly differently, but what I got from it was that they'd decided not to remove it because they see no reason to yet.
I see, they interpreted DRM as the thing you let go when you're "done" with supporting the game and we interpreted it as the thing you let go when you've made your nut (i.e. folks have rewarded all your work).

Did they plan so much new paid content in the last 3 months? I kind of see it as douche-baggery as well, given how well they've done.
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orcishgamer: I see, they interpreted DRM as the thing you let go when you're "done" with supporting the game and we interpreted it as the thing you let go when you've made your nut (i.e. folks have rewarded all your work).

Did they plan so much new paid content in the last 3 months? I kind of see it as douche-baggery as well, given how well they've done.
If they'd said "when we're completely done with the game" right off the bat I would have gone "fair enough".
I've no idea why they gave a date less than 3 months in the future and said they were going to have removed it by then or on that date at the latest. (link to that statement if you're interested)

But yeah, I took it as a sincere intention to remove the DRM but I guess they meant they'd remove the DRM 'when they're done' and they simply expected to be done by then.