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Posted January 27, 2014
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scampywiak: Calling a suicide selfish smacks too much of the traditional christian scorn on the issue. I'm not supporting the way he did this; there are better ways to off yourself. But I'm not about to judge his decision.
Lets to paint with too broad a brush there. Besides, I am pretty sure neither of these guys are Christians or even religious for that matter. They just seem ignorant about what drives some people to take their own lives, believing it to be borne from some selfish impulse rather than a genuine disorder or chemical imbalance.
Posted January 27, 2014
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hedwards: Any life insurance that he might of had, won't be paid out because it was suicide.
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justanoldgamer: Not necessarily true. My life insurance covers suicide.
Not always, either way. Usually, a policy will have both suicide and contestability clauses. These will affect the insurance company's obligation to pay out if the policy has been in effect only for a short time. After the policy has been in effect for some years, these clauses expire, and the insurance company must pay.

The Heath Ledger case is a notorious example. ReliaStar Insurance refused to pay on the grounds of suicide even after his death was ruled accidental, and on the grounds that he lied on his application (he said he never used illegal drugs). His daughter Matilda sued and eventually won a partial settlement.
Posted January 27, 2014
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TwilightBard: snip
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F4LL0UT: Seen it, been there. It's may way of dealing with it. As I said before, I'm aware of suicide victims often (or usually) being incapable of rational thought when they do it, being victims of circumstance or medical conditions etc.. But these people often still have interest in making ethically good choices. That's why it's so friggin' important to draw a clear line and say "if you cross it you're an asshole, you become worse than whatever and whoever is making you miserable". Awareness of what they do to others and what they become by committing suicide may save lives.
The absolute worst thing to say to a potential suicide is "you're an asshole". Who the hell made you their judge?

A potential suicide is already failing to cope with a load of guilt and shame that you can't even begin to comprehend, with a mind that isn't firing on all cylinders for reasons that have nothing to do with being an "asshole".

So you would add to his burden in the bullshit belief that compounding his shame will shame him away from the edge? Damn, I hope you and all the others in this thread who think like that never even so much as think of volunteering for a suicide prevention hotline.
Posted January 27, 2014
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cjrgreen: The absolute worst thing to say to a potential suicide is "you're an asshole". Who the hell made you their judge?

A potential suicide is already failing to cope with a load of guilt and shame that you can't even begin to comprehend, with a mind that isn't firing on all cylinders for reasons that have nothing to do with being an "asshole".

So you would add to his burden in the bullshit belief that compounding his shame will shame him away from the edge? Damn, I hope you and all the others in this thread who think like that never even so much as think of volunteering for a suicide prevention hotline.
For one, a potential suicide victim and a suicide victim are two different things and at no point did I suggest that one should further harm a depressed person's self-esteem. And no, I didn't mean literally that one should approach depressed people and try to fix them by going drill sergeant on them, I meant that it's important to generally spread the idea that suicide is unethical and people should perceive suicide victims as bad examples so they have another barrier that may very well keep them form committing suicide.

Also I have dealt a lot with depressed people (as well as people who lost loved ones to suicide). Not professionally, of course, but as a friend or even just that random guy who cared. I have sacrificed countless hours and gotten a whole lot of shit for my efforts (I got sucked into other people's crappy worlds or became a target of irrational anger while trying to help) and I like to think that I have earned myself the right to be judgmental towards those people who give up. Nobody I know went so far as to commit suicide but if someone had, especially while I was putting so much effort into helping them, I wouldn't hesitate to declare them assholes for what they've done to me or others. No matter the circumstance, it is a selfish and even evil act, just like some mental disorder doesn't suddenly make a mass murderer or rapist a good guy. It's always an act that needs to be condemned. And the people who actually have to deal with the consequences of a suicide have the friggin' right to at least replace some of their feeling of guilt and sorrow with anger and disgust - unless they are of course directly responsible for the victim's decision but I think that's not the scenario we're talking about here.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Posted January 27, 2014
I don't know if it is some form of cosmic irony, or possibly just strange coincidence but this song was playing when I heard the news about Justin (as I was about to send him a Tweet about his FamiKamen Rider production).
Post edited January 27, 2014 by Theta_Sigma
Posted January 27, 2014
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cjrgreen: The absolute worst thing to say to a potential suicide is "you're an asshole". Who the hell made you their judge?

A potential suicide is already failing to cope with a load of guilt and shame that you can't even begin to comprehend, with a mind that isn't firing on all cylinders for reasons that have nothing to do with being an "asshole".

So you would add to his burden in the bullshit belief that compounding his shame will shame him away from the edge? Damn, I hope you and all the others in this thread who think like that never even so much as think of volunteering for a suicide prevention hotline.
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F4LL0UT: For one, a potential suicide victim and a suicide victim are two different things and at no point did I suggest that one should further harm a depressed person's self-esteem. And no, I didn't mean literally that one should approach depressed people and try to fix them by going drill sergeant on them, I meant that it's important to generally spread the idea that suicide is unethical and people should perceive suicide victims as bad examples so they have another barrier that may very well keep them form committing suicide.

Also I have dealt a lot with depressed people (as well as people who lost loved ones to suicide). Not professionally, of course, but as a friend or even just that random guy who cared. I have sacrificed countless hours and gotten a whole lot of shit for my efforts (I got sucked into other people's crappy worlds or became a target of irrational anger while trying to help) and I like to think that I have earned myself the right to be judgmental towards those people who give up. Nobody I know went so far as to commit suicide but if someone had, especially while I was putting so much effort into helping them, I wouldn't hesitate to declare them assholes for what they've done to me or others. No matter the circumstance, it is a selfish and even evil act, just like some mental disorder doesn't suddenly make a mass murderer or rapist a good guy. It's always an act that needs to be condemned. And the people who actually have to deal with the consequences of a suicide have the friggin' right to at least replace some of their feeling of guilt and sorrow with anger and disgust - unless they are of course directly responsible for the victim's decision but I think that's not the scenario we're talking about here.
I am glad you feel you have earned the right to judge others for what you have not gone through yourself. Now, please, do not think your counsel is valuable to anyone who might be contemplating suicide. It is the worst and most dangerous attitude you could possibly have.
Posted January 27, 2014
He was one of the people that inspired me to try to start reviewing all the odd things I own.

I was even hoping to do a "You Can Play This" crossover with him one day.

I'm glad my depression never reached a level where I'd consider suicide to be the only option.
Posted January 27, 2014
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Foxhack: He was one of the people that inspired me to try to start reviewing all the odd things I own.

I was even hoping to do a "You Can Play This" crossover with him one day.

I'm glad my depression never reached a level where I'd consider suicide to be the only option.
It is good to see how much he inspired others to do creative things. I actually wanted to do an interview with him over his FamiKamen Rider production, and his views on the growing import market of games due to region free consoles, and some of his inspirations to do the things he has done. It's sad that won't be able to happen due to such tragic events. It's funny, he inspired me to buy some import games I really wanted, and to research "you can play this" titles on my own; he is also the person who got me back into watching Kamen Rider and Tokusatsu in general.

Such a wonderful person and no matter what one's view on his choice to end his life, it is a sad loss both to his family, friends and the gaming community as a whole. His attitude towards others and boundless kindness to everyone was something I would like to remember him for.
Posted January 27, 2014
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cjrgreen: I am glad you feel you have earned the right to judge others for what you have not gone through yourself.
Nice claim there. I didn't say that I haven't, did I?

And no, my attitude is not the most dangerous one. If that were the case I wouldn't have joined forces with my depressed friend's other best friend, consulted a professional, looked after his wife, made sure that he's not gonna lose his job and contacted a few other friends of his to convince them to call or visit him in order to lift his spirits. I'm under the impression you still don't get that condemning suicide does not exclude empathy and proper support for depressed people - nor remembering and respecting them for the good times even if they ultimately made that utterly awful decision.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Posted January 27, 2014
I only heard of him once or twice, I don't know him and never to the best of my memory watched any of this videos.
It's a shame when someone ends his own life. Perhaps understandable under certain extreme conditions. If for example you are already dying and you you have just a bit of life left in extreme pain etc.
Or you jump on a grenade to save others, etc.

But to leave a family back, a wife and kids who will have to continue their own travel in life alone, because you took your own life out. No. I can't forgive this. If you are alone with no people depending on you, go ahead do the stupid thing if you so much desire it. But to leave others behind who need you. Fuck you. Selfish motherfucker. I hope his wife and kids get over this ASAP. They deserve better.

And if people disagree with me, I don't give a fuck. That's my opinion and I am not going to change it because it's not the p.c. thing to say.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by trusteft
Posted January 27, 2014
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trusteft: I only heard of him once or twice, I don't know him and never to the best of my memory watched any of this videos.
It's a shame when someone ends his own life. Perhaps understandable under certain extreme conditions. If for example you are already dying and you you have just a bit of life left in extreme pain etc.
Or you jump on a grenade to save others, etc.

But to leave a family back, a wife and kids who will have to continue their own travel in life alone, because you took your own life out. No. I can't forgive this. If you are alone with no people depending on you, go ahead do the stupid thing if you so much desire it. But to leave others behind who need you. Fuck you. Selfish motherfucker. I hope his wife and kids get over this ASAP. They deserve better.

And if people disagree with me, I don't give a fuck. That's my opinion and I am not going to change it because it's not the p.c. thing to say.
Vicious opinions like that are not even worth dignifying with a refutation.

You damned armchair moralists can all go someplace where you would never, ever be tempted to serve in mental health or teaching or ministry or working a suicide hotline. Because you're a fucking great menace to people who are in danger of taking their own lives.
Posted January 28, 2014
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/42100-in-loving-memory-of-justin-carmical

Here's a tribute video, if you haven't seen it.

I suffer from severe depression, but this could have very easily been me a few years back. Obviously not the fame part, but no one knew I was depressed. No one knew what I was suffering through or what I was doing to myself every single day. I put on a mask, covering myself up in false niceties to tell everyone I was okay, that nothing was wrong. When in truth, I'd lay in bed and cry about how much I hated myself and how I didn't deserve to exist. No one would have known why I killed myself, everyone would have thought I was a happy, normal, if shut in person.

When I finally did reveal my depression and how severe it was, I was met with a lot of skepticism, and "You don't have depression" or "depression isn't a real thing". I still face that sometimes. But I'm still trying to get help and to "fix" myself. I don't feel like I've made much progress, but I'm trying. And there are days when the pills don't help, and I want to just give up on everything.

So, before you judge someone for their decision making in this situation; consider that unless you've lived with depression or you've studied it clinically; you can't understand it. You just can't. And virtually anyone with training will tell you that, unless you are medically trained to understand depression it's impossible to comprehend because the brain isn't functioning correctly.

By all accounts Justin Carmical was a good person who let his demons overwhelm him. Anyone can give in to their demons. So before you call him things or come into a thread honoring him by those who feel deeply troubled by what happened, look yourself in the mirror and realize that you yourself could one day fall into the same pit and sometimes you just can't crawl out.
Posted January 28, 2014
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Hawk52: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/42100-in-loving-memory-of-justin-carmical

Here's a tribute video, if you haven't seen it.

I suffer from severe depression, but this could have very easily been me a few years back. Obviously not the fame part, but no one knew I was depressed. No one knew what I was suffering through or what I was doing to myself every single day. I put on a mask, covering myself up in false niceties to tell everyone I was okay, that nothing was wrong. When in truth, I'd lay in bed and cry about how much I hated myself and how I didn't deserve to exist. No one would have known why I killed myself, everyone would have thought I was a happy, normal, if shut in person.

When I finally did reveal my depression and how severe it was, I was met with a lot of skepticism, and "You don't have depression" or "depression isn't a real thing". I still face that sometimes. But I'm still trying to get help and to "fix" myself. I don't feel like I've made much progress, but I'm trying. And there are days when the pills don't help, and I want to just give up on everything.

So, before you judge someone for their decision making in this situation; consider that unless you've lived with depression or you've studied it clinically; you can't understand it. You just can't. And virtually anyone with training will tell you that, unless you are medically trained to understand depression it's impossible to comprehend because the brain isn't functioning correctly.

By all accounts Justin Carmical was a good person who let his demons overwhelm him. Anyone can give in to their demons. So before you call him things or come into a thread honoring him by those who feel deeply troubled by what happened, look yourself in the mirror and realize that you yourself could one day fall into the same pit and sometimes you just can't crawl out.
never mind. I don't want ask.
Post edited January 28, 2014 by Elmofongo
Posted January 28, 2014
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Hawk52: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/42100-in-loving-memory-of-justin-carmical

Here's a tribute video, if you haven't seen it.

I suffer from severe depression, but this could have very easily been me a few years back. Obviously not the fame part, but no one knew I was depressed. No one knew what I was suffering through or what I was doing to myself every single day. I put on a mask, covering myself up in false niceties to tell everyone I was okay, that nothing was wrong. When in truth, I'd lay in bed and cry about how much I hated myself and how I didn't deserve to exist. No one would have known why I killed myself, everyone would have thought I was a happy, normal, if shut in person.

When I finally did reveal my depression and how severe it was, I was met with a lot of skepticism, and "You don't have depression" or "depression isn't a real thing". I still face that sometimes. But I'm still trying to get help and to "fix" myself. I don't feel like I've made much progress, but I'm trying. And there are days when the pills don't help, and I want to just give up on everything.

So, before you judge someone for their decision making in this situation; consider that unless you've lived with depression or you've studied it clinically; you can't understand it. You just can't. And virtually anyone with training will tell you that, unless you are medically trained to understand depression it's impossible to comprehend because the brain isn't functioning correctly.

By all accounts Justin Carmical was a good person who let his demons overwhelm him. Anyone can give in to their demons. So before you call him things or come into a thread honoring him by those who feel deeply troubled by what happened, look yourself in the mirror and realize that you yourself could one day fall into the same pit and sometimes you just can't crawl out.
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Elmofongo: I apologize deeply for asking this, but what are you depressed about exactly? When I hear people with depression I always ask what are you depressed about, there has to be a cause or reason for depression, it cannot just happen for no reason.
chemical imbalance doesn't require no cause.
Posted January 28, 2014
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Elmofongo: I apologize deeply for asking this, but what are you depressed about exactly? When I hear people with depression I always ask what are you depressed about, there has to be a cause or reason for depression, it cannot just happen for no reason.
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Mr.Caine: chemical imbalance doesn't require no cause.
I was merely under the impression that JewWario's (Who unfortunately I have not heard of until now) depression was caused by victimization in his personal life or another reason I have in my head, but do not wish to say.
Post edited January 28, 2014 by Elmofongo
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