I actually agree with you. Suicide is most of the time an incredibly selfish thing, people who pull it off either completely ignore what their loved ones will go through or don't even think about them. This guy even went as far as doing it in the presence of his wife who may blame her self for not being able to save him for the rest of her life - it can't get much worse than that.

But don't worry, I won't start agreeing with you from now on. I can throw in something about gun control if you wish, just to be safe.

I was planning to commit suicide over 10 years ago, and it was because i was bullied at school and thanks to someone i know he managed to talk me out of it. My condolences goes to his family and his wife. JewMario was one of my favorite guys on the internet and i will miss him.


R.I.P Justin Carmical ‏@JewMario

To be honest, usually when I'm disagreeing with folks, the level of emotion is a lot lower than it probably appears. I just tend to be rather cranky and grumpy in general around here.

Anyways, it bothers me the way that people tunnel vision on the things they liked about the person that died, which tends to lead to a distorted version of who they really were and what they actually were like. It tends to encourage "suicide contagion"

I'm sure he was a nice man up until the moment he killed himself, but we should all be mindful not to send the message that suicide is the correct solution to what is a treatable problem. There have been fantastic improvements in psychiatry and psychology over the last few decades, and it's sad to see people still taking the view that suicide is an acceptable solution to any non-fatal problem. Granted, if you're terminally ill and only have a couple months left, that is different and requires a different set of considerations, but this is just senseless.

Man this sucks. I didn't see much of his work. mostly I knew him from Suede's Pokémon reviews. He seemed like a really nice guy.
Just the other day he was co-hosing WTFIWWY with Nash. He seemed so be enjoying himself so much. Even though he was a man in his 40's he projected the joy innocence, and passion of a child. He never seemed awkward or superior hanging out with nerd half his age.

Good night sweet prince, may flights of pigeot speed thee to thy rest.

P.S To anyone wanting to talk about the negative aspects of suicide: I don't approve of suicide either but tis is not the time or place for that discussion. You can start a new thread if you think it's that important. For now let's Justin for who he was. Not how he died. Thanks you.

This is exactly the time and the place to talk about that. One of the big problems is that if it doesn't come up during the wake out of "respect for the dead" then it doesn't come up at all. The time to think about views of suicide and suicide prevention is when the emotions are still raw. If you wait until it's "decent" you've lost the impact and people tend to forget the bits that they don't want to think about.

I'm sure he was a great guy over all, but how many more people do we need to lose to suicide out of "respect for the dead"? Ignoring everything but the most positive aspects of the deceased is the surest way of ensuring that we create a positive image of suicide for people attendance.

The other thing is we're not remembering Justin as he was, we're remembering the idealized version of him. Most, if not all, of the people in this thread only know him from those videos, and it's quite clear there was a lot more going on with him than the videos. There's no need to villainize him, but it's equally unhealthy to lionize him either.

Again I have to agree with hedwards: if it's not gonna come up now it's not gonna come up at all and definitely not in the context where it matters. Justin may have generally been a great guy but ignoring how stupid, selfish and evil (if desperate and irrational) his last act was generates the impression that suicide is a legitimate choice, after all, even great guys like JewWario do it! And particularly his suicide which happened in the presence of a loved one who most definitely tried to talk him out of it makes it one of the fucking worst things a person can do. People need to be aware of that.

You did not understand your friend so well it seems. Generally speaking, people who choose to end their own lives do so thinking that the world and their loved ones would be "better off" with them gone. Which, while delusional isn't selfish.
However, another thing to remember is NOBODY does this simply because "they feel like shit" unless they are already suffering from some sort of mental disorder or chemical imbalance in their brain, just showing some sympathy for the man is not going to encourage anyone to follow his example unless they are predisposed to anyway.

I feel mostly for his wife, she's going to have that moment in her memory for the rest of her life. I can empathise with how bad he must have felt to do that, but at the same time I don't agree with how he did it.

Rest in peace :(

I think a lot of people are looking at it in the fact that, we are willing to acknowledge that there was something deeply, deeply wrong with him. I'm not going to say that suicide is ever a legitimate choice, I'm not going to say that it was his only choice, but I am going to say that there must have been something wrong with his perception of things. Depression of that degree isn't just a case of the blues, it's a mental disorder, it's a chemical imbalance that messes with and ravages our mind even in the best of times. And a lot of people who honestly suffer put on a happy, smiling, goofy face because of how others will treat them.

The fact is is that suicidal people are rarely rational, they're rarely looking at it from all angles. It's one of those things that's very hard to describe to people who have never been in THAT dark of a place. It's not something you choose, it's not the whiny shit you see in emo poetry 'Oh the world is so dark and hateful and stained with blood!', it's a serious illness the same way alcoholism has to be looked at.

I can't imagine what's going through his wife's mind, it's got to be something horrifying to deal with and have to live with. He's left big holes in the lives of the people who knew him because he was so outspoken and happy-go-lucky seeming. But I also have to wonder what was going through his own mind. How long has he been dealing with that, has he been getting treatment...has the treatment actually been working? Is it even what we think it is?

I used to be extremely black and white on the issue, and along the years I have talked to people and have had an opportunity to deal with catching moments myself where I thought the world might be better if that car that came too close to me had come just even closer and actually hit me. It's jarring now to look back at, and it's embarrassing to even admit to. The main problem is that it's not just a black and white issue, and there are a lot of shades of gray to things that we may never really understand now.

OR maybe his life was just hell, he did a good job of hiding it and then he couldn't take it anymore(not everyone is a Spartan warrior). Not all cases of depression are due to simply a chemical imbalance. It's totally sane to commit suicide to escape something truly horrible.

I also want to point out some people, just keep shit to themselves. I don't know why but they don't like sharing with others and then all of a sudden, they do something unexpected. He was being selfish but so what. We are all selfish, some more than others. Maybe he didn't want to die alone? Facing death when you are alone, I imagine, would be very horrible for some people.

Thanks for the link. Very, very moving. RIP.

Not necessarily true. My life insurance covers suicide.

Calling a suicide selfish smacks too much of the traditional christian scorn on the issue. I'm not supporting the way he did this; there are better ways to off yourself. But I'm not about to judge his decision.