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Navagon: It's not that I feel cheated. It's that this is a massive and unmistakable slap in the face all the same. The GOG price seemed fair for what it is. I knew it was likely to wind up in a bundle at some point. So it would all have been well and good. But to bung it in a bundle on the same damn day is just shitty.
I didn't mean to imply that you felt cheated. I just believe that some people will especially if they joined GOG solely to preorder Botanicula for the discount.
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CowboyBebop: I don't think Amanita has anything to do with it either and whatever they decide is likely to be paid for only by GOG. GOG is just going to try to give something to the people who preordered here only to feel like they overpaid on release day. It might have been worth $10 but some would still feel cheated. I'm just going to buy more games from GOG this weekend than I might have before this fiasco started :)
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Navagon: It's not that I feel cheated. It's that this is a massive and unmistakable slap in the face all the same. The GOG price seemed fair for what it is. I knew it was likely to wind up in a bundle at some point. So it would all have been well and good. But to bung it in a bundle on the same damn day is just shitty.
This.

I wouldn't be so miffed if the GOG version had the full soundtrack.
(One of the main reasons people like myself shop here. The extras)

I wouldn't have been miffed if the GOG version had the sample, and the dev had the full version, but the game was the same price on their site.

(I probably would have picked up that soundtrack later on at some point)

I wouldn't even be fussed if they released a Humble Bundle with just Machinarium and some other games in it.

But. Its this exact combination which has got people that pre-ordered like me a little miffed.

I applaud GOG for their take on the issue so far. Their support is one of the finest I have ever experienced.

Likewise I'm going to love the hell out of this game, and I love Amanita Designs and will forgive them for this oversight.

The humble guys I'm a bit wary of these days. I think they are going a little overboard with all these bundles.
(though I do respect them for giving to charity)

EDIT: Reads wodmarach post above.

Oh bugger.

Oh well. Its nice to see the two act so fast. Remember these guys are nice, and just made a bit of a mistake.

I already have the soundtrack now, but I will take that art book with a smile! :D
Post edited April 19, 2012 by RetroVortex
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Navagon: If they were upfront about it then that would have been all well and good. I'd have paid the same and enjoyed the game. But this is plainly duplicitous.
Yeah... I'm very suprised too didn't expect it really. Out of the blue kind of, but with indie games I usually buy the game directly from the author's site anyway.
Ah well I'm still not sure what I think and I see how it impacts other stores, I respect the bold move though I don't think they gauged well enough the reactions to this.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by pops117
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pops117: Roman this was totally uncalled for! I understand the concern but there's no need to insult people about it, even less so leaving your crap on the amanita forums.
If you pre-ordered the game you had the intent to support the developer that's really what matters, here they propose to pay what you want and support Charity.
If it wasn't for that cute as hell puppy avatar, I'd totally be going off on you right now. BTW Do you work for Amantia?
Yes Roman is being a bit...overzealous but this is what happens when a company makes a calculated risk. Only Amantia knew where the game was going to be released. I venture to guess that those who pre-ordered were most likely those most interested in the game itself, or those most intent on supporting a company they know and appreciate and even they didn't know this was going to happen.

Customer support is a two way street, yes loyal customers will pre order games, and fly the banner of Amanita (like Roman is...somewhat unfortunately doing now with GOG.com) for all the internet to see, but this only comes if the customers are then treated like equals, thanked and rewarded for their commitment, and not just thought of as ATMs.

Performing a stunt like this is merely a calculated business risk. Risk disenfranchising those two camps of customers in trade for a mass market of new ones. From what it looks like with day 1 bundle sales perhaps they made a decent choice attempting to gain 11 times the number of customers they disenfranchise, but here is they other end, if they intend to make that their business model, they have to deal with the repercussions of the loud and upset customers. If it bothers the developers that their previous customers are loud and upset, perhaps then they made the wrong choice. Tomorrow will likely tell as gaming blogs and news choose a side between great game, great bundle; or marketing scandal (news seems to take extremes like that) and new customers will choose between that e-mail in their in box for a new Humble Bundle, or the news site article they read.

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pops117: Roman this was totally uncalled for! I understand the concern but there's no need to insult people about it, even less so leaving your crap on the amanita forums.
If you pre-ordered the game you had the intent to support the developer that's really what matters, here they propose to pay what you want and support Charity.
Personally, seeing this on GOG.com for preorder, I thought, I'll wait to see if this might be the game to revitalize my interest in the point and click genre, but today I doubt it will be this game. Perhaps it is unfair to myself to ignore what may be a great game, but that is my choice as a customer; to vote with my wallet. And this is a repercussion of the business choice made by the developer.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by PWFredricksonIII
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pops117: Yeah... I'm very suprised too didn't expect it really. Out of the blue kind of, but with indie games I usually buy the game directly from the author's site anyway.
Ah well I'm still not sure what I think and I see how it impacts other stores, I respect the bold move though I don't think they gauged well enough the reactions to this.
No. No I don't think they did. This is one serious misstep. Clearly they're making some effort to rectify it. Hopefully we'll get some word from them. Preferably in the form of an apology.
Sorry if this has been mentioned a lot already, but it's funny that GOG is their #2 donor for the bundle. LOL
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stoicsentry: If it wasn't for that cute as hell puppy avatar, I'd totally be going off on you right now. BTW Do you work for Amantia?
No, I don't work for Amanita I'm volunteer Mod on the forums well sometimes I get some informations from Jakub but usually know just as much as any other guy.
But please do harass me and share your frustration, I'm also kind of undecided on the whole matter but I'm always willing to relay the general mood to Jakub if it's NOT CONSTITUTED OF PERSONAL ATTACKS!
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stoicsentry: Sorry if this has been mentioned a lot already, but it's funny that GOG is their #2 donor for the bundle. LOL
It was their #1 just until few minutes ago.
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stoicsentry: If it wasn't for that cute as hell puppy avatar, I'd totally be going off on you right now. BTW Do you work for Amantia?
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pops117: No, I don't work for Amanita I'm volunteer Mod on the forums well sometimes I get some informations from Jakub but usually know just as much as any other guy.
But please do harass me and share your frustration, I'm also kind of undecided on the whole matter but I'm always willing to relay the general mood to Jakub if it's NOT CONSTITUTED OF PERSONAL ATTACKS!
I understand your situation. I think that we are all reasonable people here, and we can all draw a line somewhere in the sand. Amantia needs to apologize for this, they know what they did was wrong, they knew it was going to piss people off and they still did it. They shouldn't get off the hook for this.

Also, as you suggested, we should all be reasonable here. There's really no excuse for personal attacks, insults, etc. That is not constructive, serves no good purpose and should have no place in our discourse. So let's all agree, as reasonable people, that personal attacks are always 100% off limits, no matter the time, the place, no matter what... no personal attacks except against Bioware employees... none, because personal attacks are wrong. Agreed?
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Navagon: Furthermore this does not reflect well on Humble. Surely the thought must have crossed their mind?
Yeah, I'm sure people are going to get upset at the HIB for continuing to offer dirt-cheap games and large donations to charity.

This doesn't make HIB look bad in any way, shape or form, and I have to seriously question the judgement of anyone who thinks it does.

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stoicsentry: I understand your situation. I think that we are all reasonable people here, and we can all draw a line somewhere in the sand. Amantia needs to apologize for this, they know what they did was wrong, they knew it was going to piss people off and they still did it. They shouldn't get off the hook for this.
Get off the hook for WHAT? Participating in capitalism?

You guys threw a tantrum, and people who preordered the game are apparently going to be getting even MORE free stuff than GOG already offered. That should be all the apology you need.
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imdwalrus: Get off the hook for WHAT?
If you don't know by now, I don't know what to say. Read the thread.

You guys threw a tantrum, and people who preordered the game are apparently going to be getting even MORE free stuff than GOG already offered. That should be all the apology you need.
Is this in reference to GOG's promise to make the situation right or someone's alleged quote from a moderator over at the developer's forums?
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stoicsentry: Is this in reference to GOG's promise to make the situation right or someone's alleged quote from a moderator over at the developer's forums?
First, it's not an "alleged" quote. It's still up on their site:
http://amanita-design.net/forum/index.php/topic,3725.0.html

That said, I meant that the user base here was throwing a tantrum. The reaction has been completely out of line - demanding to pull the game from GOG's home page, cursing out moderators, whining about how you can't POSSIBLY enjoy the game now, insisting that there's some vast conspiracy against GOG... All because HIB is offering the game.

Take a step back, look at the reaction, and tell me it's appropriate. It's not. At best, the sense of entitlement is ridiculous. At worst, there are an awful lot of people here acting like spoiled children.
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imdwalrus: Yeah, I'm sure people are going to get upset at the HIB for continuing to offer dirt-cheap games and large donations to charity.

This doesn't make HIB look bad in any way, shape or form, and I have to seriously question the judgement of anyone who thinks it does.
What does this have to do with what I wrote? Anyone who knew this situation before the Humble release could have seen this coming. Those that couldn't are the ones whose judgement and basic comprehension is in question.
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stoicsentry: Is this in reference to GOG's promise to make the situation right or someone's alleged quote from a moderator over at the developer's forums?
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imdwalrus: First, it's not an "alleged" quote. It's still up on their site:
http://amanita-design.net/forum/index.php/topic,3725.0.html
No I meant in regards to, "getting even MORE free stuff than GOG already offered."

That said, I meant that the user base here was throwing a tantrum. The reaction has been completely out of line - demanding to pull the game from GOG's home page,
cursing out moderators, whining about how you can't POSSIBLY enjoy the game now, insisting that there's some vast conspiracy against GOG... All because HIB is offering the game.
Yeah, because on day 1 they pulled a **** move by offering it with an entire bundle for the same price. (Assuming you beat the average)

Take a step back, look at the reaction, and tell me it's appropriate.
With the exception of Roman5, I see nothing wrong with the reaction at all.

It's not. At best, the sense of entitlement is ridiculous. At worst, there are an awful lot of people here acting like spoiled children.
Entitlement is kinda the point of pre-orders, so yeah. I'm usually the first person to point out the overly-entitled crowd but I just don't see it here. Amanita KNEW they were screwing over GOG and they didn't give a ****. Yeah, I think people are plenty entitled to not be screwed over.

Good rule of thumb: you don't undercut your distributors on day 1. Common sense of which Amanita has none apparently.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by stoicsentry