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Posted June 11, 2013
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silviucc: They can sell for a lower price because they do not need to force something like the Kinect-Spy on people.
Oh right, I forgot about that silly requirement; the PS4 version of the PlayStation Eye is a separate purchase.

Microsoft announced an Xbox One-like redesign of the Xbox 360 along with the promise of hundreds of games yet to be released for it, so it seems like they are wanting the Xbox 360 to be the cheaper console option rather than having multiple versions of the Xbox One.
Posted June 11, 2013
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hucklebarry: I think this is truly how they see things in many ways.
It's not so much how they see things. You have to consider what the actual, measurable difference between a shitty publisher and a great one is - shareholders.

EA, Activision, Ubisoft and co. regularly go on these anti-gamer crusades because they need to give their shareholders the impression that they are creating value for them. They also need a scapegoat, because it hasn't helped that the market has been on a perpetual downslide in the past five years.

Sales have been in a state of perpetual decline on the consoles. The elimination of used sales and the supposed reduction in piracy on PC havn't translated into real gains, despite increases in unit sales.
Posted June 11, 2013
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jamyskis: Sales have been in a state of perpetual decline on the consoles. The elimination of used sales and the supposed reduction in piracy on PC havn't translated into real gains, despite increases in unit sales.
PC game prices haven't increased in 20+ years not even in line with inflation... infact if you include all the sales prices for PC games are down on average. Bring prices upto console levels and bring back used sales and you'd likely see the income rise
Posted June 11, 2013
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wodmarach: PC game prices haven't increased in 20+ years not even in line with inflation... infact if you include all the sales prices for PC games are down on average. Bring prices upto console levels and bring back used sales and you'd likely see the income rise
Many major PC releases do launch at the full console price. This has been the case for at least a couple of years now.
Posted June 11, 2013
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wodmarach: PC game prices haven't increased in 20+ years not even in line with inflation... infact if you include all the sales prices for PC games are down on average. Bring prices upto console levels and bring back used sales and you'd likely see the income rise
I agree. The Steam gang might sit there and argue how Steam sales have been "good for the industry", but unfortunately the figures do not back this up. In fact, I believe Ubisoft and a couple of others now bundle PC gaming sales in together with mobile and browser gaming to actually make them reportable.

Traditionally PC games have always been 15-20% cheaper than their console counterparts, a difference accounted for by the licensing fees associated with console publishing. Eliminating used game sales on the PC has basically created a 'scavenger' culture where the majority of people simply wait for the inevitable daily deal or seasonal sale.
Post edited June 11, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted June 11, 2013
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hucklebarry: I think this is truly how they see things in many ways.
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jamyskis: It's not so much how they see things. You have to consider what the actual, measurable difference between a shitty publisher and a great one is - shareholders.

EA, Activision, Ubisoft and co. regularly go on these anti-gamer crusades because they need to give their shareholders the impression that they are creating value for them. They also need a scapegoat, because it hasn't helped that the market has been on a perpetual downslide in the past five years.

Sales have been in a state of perpetual decline on the consoles. The elimination of used sales and the supposed reduction in piracy on PC havn't translated into real gains, despite increases in unit sales.
Its how "they" see things. You just say that "they" is someone different. IMHO, it doesn't matter how we define "they" when the end result is still the same. They want more money and they aren't able to innovate to make it... so do the next best thing: raise prices and lower product exposure. It happens in every industry. It doesn't really matter to me who the developer is if they chose a greedy publisher, the end result is exactly the same.
Posted June 11, 2013
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wodmarach: PC game prices haven't increased in 20+ years not even in line with inflation... infact if you include all the sales prices for PC games are down on average. Bring prices upto console levels and bring back used sales and you'd likely see the income rise
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Arkose: Many major PC releases do launch at the full console price. This has been the case for at least a couple of years now.
Not here it's always £10+ under console prices our highest priced is likely a COD or BF game at £39.99 when the console version is £49.99
Posted June 11, 2013
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wodmarach: PC game prices haven't increased in 20+ years not even in line with inflation... infact if you include all the sales prices for PC games are down on average. Bring prices upto console levels and bring back used sales and you'd likely see the income rise
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Arkose: Many major PC releases do launch at the full console price. This has been the case for at least a couple of years now.
I haven't seen a single one. Maybe it's a New Zealand thing.
Posted June 11, 2013
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wodmarach: Not here it's always £10+ under console prices our highest priced is likely a COD or BF game at £39.99 when the console version is £49.99
Same here. Most console releases come in at €59.99, PC releases at €49.99 (even CoD, despite their pricing on Steam). That being said, a lot of PC games have been reduced in price pretty heavily upon release of late, often well below Steam/Origin prices (on release day, Tomb Raider was €38 in Media Markt vs. €50 on Steam).
Post edited June 11, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted June 11, 2013
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ThatNinjaGuy: Knowing my luck somebody's already posted this, but Sony has released a video that shows how game loaning will work on the Playstation 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
WOW, this video is basically Sony punching Microsoft in the dick with brass knuckles. XBOX DENDY's only hope for survival is the PS4 having almost no games.
Post edited June 11, 2013 by langurmonkey
Posted June 11, 2013
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ThatNinjaGuy: Knowing my luck somebody's already posted this, but Sony has released a video that shows how game loaning will work on the Playstation 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
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langurmonkey: WOW, this video is basically Sony punching Microsoft in the dick with brass knuckles. XBOX DENDY's only hope for survival is the PS4 having almost no games.
or you know just announce that if the disc is in the drive it'll play the game no matter what...
Posted June 11, 2013
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Phaidox: Didn't they explicitly say they'll leave DRM up to the publishers? What they most probably mean is that they won't be imposing any additional security measures.
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jamyskis: Originally, yes, so I suspect this announcement is basically a backpedal in the wake of the Xbone disaster. The PR specifically states that you will not need to ever connect to the internet to play games, and going against that now would be a commercial disaster.
Well...
http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240
Posted June 11, 2013
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Phaidox: Well...
http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240
Oh dear.

If I'm honest, PS3 games could have done this all along, but it will now only take one publisher to (ab)use this feature and the fallout for Sony will be ten times as bad. My money's on EA...

Why do I now get the feeling that Sony is going to pull another typical Sony, i.e. garner endless amounts of goodwill only to blow it in one single major fuck-up?
Post edited June 11, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted June 11, 2013
*gasp* They're condoning piracy! Quick, report them and put a strike on their channel! XD
Posted June 11, 2013
In the end the gamers will vote with their (our) wallets and as much XB1 as PS4 will sell well and after about a year from the launch nobody will remember or care about DRM (seeing how Steam is so spreaded today, gamers wouldn´t have that problem in adapting). Everything will remain the same.
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