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Posted May 17, 2013
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Luisfius: (see: Silent HIll and Akira Yamaoka, Final Fantasy and Tetsuya Nomura, which eventually led to Kingdom Hearts being led by Nomura
Aren't those the examples of the affected series ditching the classic features and giving way too much attention to the cutscenes and graphics (and dressing people exclusively in belts and zippers)?
Posted May 17, 2013
I think Nintendo has so much money left over from Wii Sales, they can just sit through the shitty WiiU Sales and put out another console in two years. I don't think the WiiU will rise again, because it's missing out on everypart of the modern gaming market. Indies, for example (Yeah I know nintendo has some lost indie souls, but you can't compare that to the PS3 or Xbox 360 indies). I am not a graphics whore, so that is not a selling point to me. Building in there own social media channel is kind of weird. I don't know, the WiiU just doesn't feel right.
Post edited May 17, 2013 by thylior
Posted May 17, 2013
That's so easy... they just need to make a new super-beautiful 2D Metroid and a F-Zero and will sell like cakes...
Damn Nintendo, what is taking you so long?
Posted May 17, 2013
I'm in favor of all console manufacturers going out of business. Just look at SEGA, after they got out of the console manufacture business they eventually put all their old Genesis/Sega CD games packaging neatly with emulation on Steam/DotEmu, which means I can easily (amd legally!) play good old titles like Phantasy Star and Shining Force series.

What does keeping the current console manufacturers in business do for games? They are exclusive-centric closed platforms, by their very existence consoles try to extort gamers to spend hundreds of dollars more on a new platform simply to enrich that company. What does having multiple closed platforms on the market accomplish? It just gouges the wallets of gamers and ensures less people play games. More people being able to afford games means games all being available on a single platform, no more exclusives. More people playing any game they want without having to purchase multiple platforms is GOOD for everyone.

It might be naive of me to say it, but I view the PC as ~the ultimate platform~ because it's more of a universal platform, and the coming era of the multi-platform will effectively ensure this is the case. Even the tired old console fanboy rivalries will fade away when every game is on every platform, including PC, what will they have left to fanboy? Outdated hardware inside a snazzy looking case?
Posted May 17, 2013
Well, the Wii-U is that horrible combination of gimmicky and stupidly under powered. The Wii got away with it because it stumbled upon and practically monoplised an enormous market for casual games. Nowadays though, they have actual competition for the casual dollars and very little of their core fanbase is left. Who knew?

That and Nintendo is horribly backwards. Just look at the e-shop. It's an utter joke. It's like they've been completely complacent since the launch of the Wii. Not a good thing for an electronics company, I'm sure.
Posted May 17, 2013
Above poster in Australia.

Yeah, Nintendo killed itself here in Australasia.
I went browsing Wii games a few days ago here in Zealand and the shops have a very very very small stock
like the Wii is that gaming Nokia phone that came out in the early 2000's.

Even 3DO had a better turn out than Wii or Wii-U.

As I've said previously in this thread, however, I don't think Nintendo will ever see death in America.
Posted May 17, 2013
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Crosmando: I'm in favor of all console manufacturers going out of business. Just look at SEGA, after they got out of the console manufacture business they eventually put all their old Genesis/Sega CD games packaging neatly with emulation on Steam/DotEmu, which means I can easily (amd legally!) play good old titles like Phantasy Star and Shining Force series.

What does keeping the current console manufacturers in business do for games? They are exclusive-centric closed platforms, by their very existence consoles try to extort gamers to spend hundreds of dollars more on a new platform simply to enrich that company. What does having multiple closed platforms on the market accomplish? It just gouges the wallets of gamers and ensures less people play games. More people being able to afford games means games all being available on a single platform, no more exclusives. More people playing any game they want without having to purchase multiple platforms is GOOD for everyone.

It might be naive of me to say it, but I view the PC as ~the ultimate platform~ because it's more of a universal platform, and the coming era of the multi-platform will effectively ensure this is the case. Even the tired old console fanboy rivalries will fade away when every game is on every platform, including PC, what will they have left to fanboy? Outdated hardware inside a snazzy looking case?
Sadly that means no competition, and no competition means stagnation, if it was not for sony's playstation we still be using cartriges and Nintedos brutal policy against 3rd Parties because they were using outdated reserch from the Atari days.
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Hesusio: Well, the Wii-U is that horrible combination of gimmicky and stupidly under powered. The Wii got away with it because it stumbled upon and practically monoplised an enormous market for casual games. Nowadays though, they have actual competition for the casual dollars and very little of their core fanbase is left. Who knew?

That and Nintendo is horribly backwards. Just look at the e-shop. It's an utter joke. It's like they've been completely complacent since the launch of the Wii. Not a good thing for an electronics company, I'm sure.
Because secretly Nintendo hates online, none of their workers were trained for online capability, they rather wish everything was single-player offline and people just buy their games at retail stores.

(Thats my belief after Saturo Iwata said," People do not want to buy online games)
Post edited May 17, 2013 by Elmofongo
Posted May 17, 2013
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Elmofongo: Sadly that means no competition, and no competition means stagnation, if it was not for sony's playstation we still be using cartriges and Nintedos brutal policy against 3rd Parties because they were using outdated reserch from the Atari days.
No, I want competition between GAMES, not competition between platforms. Platforms don't play themselves, there's too much emphasis on companies and devices and not enough emphasis on products. Having the PC as a universal platform does NOT mean no competition and stagnation, because there's always Linux and anyone can create their own OS for a computer. Consoles are stagnating purely because they ARE restrictive closed platforms.

The sooner we get beyond the retarded console wars, and start focusing on GAMES GAMES AND ONLY GAMES, then we'll get some real scrutiny and competition.
Posted May 17, 2013
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Elmofongo: Sadly that means no competition, and no competition means stagnation, if it was not for sony's playstation we still be using cartriges and Nintedos brutal policy against 3rd Parties because they were using outdated reserch from the Atari days.
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Crosmando: No, I want competition between GAMES, not competition between platforms. Platforms don't play themselves, there's too much emphasis on companies and devices and not enough emphasis on products. Having the PC as a universal platform does NOT mean no competition and stagnation, because there's always Linux and anyone can create their own OS for a computer. Consoles are stagnating purely because they ARE restrictive closed platforms.

The sooner we get beyond the retarded console wars, and start focusing on GAMES GAMES AND ONLY GAMES, then we'll get some real scrutiny and competition.
Ah the console wars, made sense with SNES and Genesis, but it slowly started to become irrelevant, last console war that made sense was Xbox vs PS2 vs Gamecube.

Sadly we will not get that PC as the universal game platform because of Tablets and Smartphones which too many game developers are saying its the future to point of saying we will play games like Crysis and Dark Souls on the phone :P
Posted May 17, 2013
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Elmofongo: Because secretly Nintendo hates online, none of their workers were trained for online capability, they rather wish everything was single-player offline and people just buy their games at retail stores.

(Thats my belief after Saturo Iwata said," People do not want to buy online games)
Wow, if that's true, then no wonder they're floundering. Give it a few years and this could well send them under for good if they don't get their heads out of their asses.
Posted May 17, 2013
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Luisfius: (see: Silent HIll and Akira Yamaoka, Final Fantasy and Tetsuya Nomura, which eventually led to Kingdom Hearts being led by Nomura
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grviper: Aren't those the examples of the affected series ditching the classic features and giving way too much attention to the cutscenes and graphics (and dressing people exclusively in belts and zippers)?
Nope. In the Silent Hill case it was a steady change from unexplained puzzle focused durvival horror to... whatever Downpour was. Still have not played that one, going through some good but over explained with dumb plot ones (S3), flawed experimental retellings of the first (Shattered Memories), bad action games (Homecoming). That only applies really to Final Fantasy haha. Kaneko becoming a producer in SMT is good, except that he gets less art stuff to do, being replaced by a more regular anime artist (leading to Soejima being the new character designer in Persona).


Edit: Hell one of the issues with Kingdom Hearts is not the overreliance on cutscenes and graphics, but the overreleliance on new and unexplained gimmicks and mechanics in each iteration haha.
Post edited May 17, 2013 by Luisfius
Posted May 17, 2013
If you want to know what's going on at Nintendo, the Nintendo Direct is running right now :)
Posted May 17, 2013
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thylior: If you want to know what's going on at Nintendo, the Nintendo Direct is running right now :)
No wonder NeoGAF died. Damn, I wanted to read the reactions over there.
Posted May 17, 2013
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thylior: If you want to know what's going on at Nintendo, the Nintendo Direct is running right now :)
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OmegaX: No wonder NeoGAF died. Damn, I wanted to read the reactions over there.
They're probably cursing, because that was the worst nintendo direct I've ever seen. A total of four games, one being sonic winter olympics, one being DLC (new luigi u or something), pikmin 3 and the 3DS resident evil now also for WiiU.

If you keep in mind Iwata says, that's the lineup for the rest of the year, I would start to cry as a nintendo fan. (luckily I am not and never have been).
Post edited May 17, 2013 by thylior
Posted May 17, 2013
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thylior: They're probably cursing, because that was the worst nintendo direct I've ever seen. A total of four games, one being sonic winter olympics, one being DLC (new luigi u or something), pikmin 3 and the 3DS resident evil now also for WiiU.

If you keep in mind Iwata says, that's the lineup for the rest of the year, I would start to cry as a nintendo fan. (luckily I am not and never have been).
NeoGAF just came back. It seems this ND was just for Summer games and there will be another for Fall so it isn't the lineup for the rest of the year.
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