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KneeTheCap: If you want to give away bundle games, why not buy it as a gift?
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IAmSinistar: I essentially did. I kept one game and the soundtracks, and gifted the rest.

I'm done arguing with legalists who think the letter of the law is more important than the spirit. You can rage on about how indistinguishable two clearly different acts are because of phraseology until the cows come home, but you're not wasting my time with it.
And thereby completely ignoring gog's wishes on their own forum.

Legalities is one aspect, disrespecting and being dishonest is another. You are disrespecting the ones who are actually hosting this very own forum. GoG has stated that they want you to respect HB's wishes on this forum. I just don't understand how someone is capable of doing this.
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Guys get a thread which is not Ninja,go make a new one or go to humble origin bundle thread -_-
Post edited August 15, 2013 by kkreo
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CymTyr: Just got home from work. Got a few Steam codes lying around.

Reply to this post saying, "We want.... a shrubbery. NI!" and first come first serve, state which one you want.

Got codes for Burnout Paradise, Crysis 2 Maximum Edition, and Mirror's Edge.
We want... a shrubbery. NI!

Do you still have a code for Burnout Paradise?
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KneeTheCap:
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amok: .
The problem with the ToS, is that is never enforced by HumbleBundle themselves, if they really meant it, they would have acted against sites like, SG, GameMiner, Even Galagiveaways (which is part of the Gala Bundles). The ToS runs afoul of the Fist-Sale doctrine, and (according to a learned friend of mine) it can't be used in a court of law against you.
Post edited August 15, 2013 by te_lanus
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kkreo: Guys get a thread which is not Ninja,go make a new one or go to humble origin bundle thread -_-
Nae worries man, I'm done with it. As far as I'm concerned, further postings on the matter are tw;dr - "too wrong; didn't read". :)
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te_lanus: The problem with the ToS, is that is never enforced by HumbleBundle themselves, if they really meant it, they would have acted against sites like, SG, GameMiner, Even Galagiveaways (which is part of the Gala Bundles). The ToS runs afoul of the Fist-Sale doctrine, and (according to a learned friend of mine) it can't be used in a court of law against you.
I am not talking ToS now, but GoG's wishes...

You are blatantly ignoring GoG's wishes on their own website. They ask you to please honor HB's wishes, and you don't. That is bottom line, really.

And I call it dishonest and disrespecting.

edit: basically what is happening-

GoG: guys, please behave
You: Screw you GoG, we do as we like.
Post edited August 15, 2013 by amok
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CymTyr: Just got home from work. Got a few Steam codes lying around.

Reply to this post saying, "We want.... a shrubbery. NI!" and first come first serve, state which one you want.

Got codes for Burnout Paradise, Crysis 2 Maximum Edition, and Mirror's Edge.
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Expack: We want... a shrubbery. NI!

Do you still have a code for Burnout Paradise?
Sorry, I gave the code to someone who missed out on it yesterday.
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I don't tend to do this, but I am calling out all the silent cowards who only use downrep now.

What in this post deserves to be downreped:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_give_up_completely_legit_and_ethical_giveaway_honestly_i_kid_you_not_no_sir_my_conscience

If you have no arguments against it, what is the mater? Truth hurts? :)

But knowing you and your cowardly behavior, all you are going to do is to just downrep this also. *sigh*
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KneeTheCap: If you want to give away bundle games, why not buy it as a gift?
I really don't see the issue here. One person bought a game. One (and only one) person is gonna play said game. The fact those aren't the same person shouldn't be HiB's or anyone else's business. They have been paid the correct amount and that's all they should be worried about.

What's next? Am I a terrible criminal because I ripped my CDs and burned those MP3s to another CD that I listen to in my car? Should I face some jail time or is burning at a stake a more fitting punishment?
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KneeTheCap: If you want to give away bundle games, why not buy it as a gift?
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joppo: I really don't see the issue here. One person bought a game. One (and only one) person is gonna play said game. The fact those aren't the same person shouldn't be HiB's or anyone else's business. They have been paid the correct amount and that's all they should be worried about.

What's next? Am I a terrible criminal because I ripped my CDs and burned those MP3s to another CD that I listen to in my car? Should I face some jail time or is burning at a stake a more fitting punishment?
The point being they specifically ask you not to. It may not be illegal or anything, but you're still ignoring their wishes. I know it's nice to have games and its nice to give them, but please, respect the bundle guys too. And GOG.
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KneeTheCap: The point being they specifically ask you not to. It may not be illegal or anything, but you're still ignoring their wishes. I know it's nice to have games and its nice to give them, but please, respect the bundle guys too. And GOG.
The thing is, when they sold me a product they transfer to me their right over that property. I can do with it as I damn well please (except making copies because then I'm turning one good into several while I did not pay for those extra instances). I can choose to play, or not to play, and I can choose to give it for another person to play in my stead. It's not the creator's right to choose who's going to play it after they sold it to me.

And about HiB's wish that we do not give keys away: that is nothing but a wish. I wish a lot of things too, but very few of them come true. I wish HiB would pay my rent, are they gonna do it? Or do I have any right to demand it?
true
we are negotiating since thousands of years,
if we own a copy we can do what ever - it's ours to use

but the "state" pushes more taxes so corporations are becoming more greedy - so they can pay and also have profits
-- all done on average persons, "we the people", the rest, the many, the believers = consumers
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amok: I am not talking ToS now, but GoG's wishes...

You are blatantly ignoring GoG's wishes on their own website. They ask you to please honor HB's wishes, and you don't. That is bottom line, really.

And I call it dishonest and disrespecting.
I respect what you're trying to do, really do. I may not agree with some of your premises and interpretations, but I still know where you're coming from and always do my little part to uprep your posts when they're red only for speaking an uncomfortable truth.

But you need to step back from that "GOG's wishes" line. The post you're referencing was a single, if important, blue's response to the situation. It was, at best, an expression of distaste. And it never claimed to be an official GOG position; I don't think GOG wants to have an official position, and would rather the forum find the right way without the say from on-high. And you're serving that purpose well. But when you state your "GOG's wishes" argument, I really feel you're speaking with an authority you don't really have. There's an argument to be made there, but not so assertively and "legalistically".

So, please reconsider your wording in the matter, and in general, try to reduce the sanctimonious effect, really doesn't help the cause. It's still a worthwhile thing you're doing, so just try doing it better ;)
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amok: I am not talking ToS now, but GoG's wishes...

You are blatantly ignoring GoG's wishes on their own website. They ask you to please honor HB's wishes, and you don't. That is bottom line, really.

And I call it dishonest and disrespecting.
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Spinorial: I respect what you're trying to do, really do. I may not agree with some of your premises and interpretations, but I still know where you're coming from and always do my little part to uprep your posts when they're red only for speaking an uncomfortable truth.

But you need to step back from that "GOG's wishes" line. The post you're referencing was a single, if important, blue's response to the situation. It was, at best, an expression of distaste. And it never claimed to be an official GOG position; I don't think GOG wants to have an official position, and would rather the forum find the right way without the say from on-high. And you're serving that purpose well. But when you state your "GOG's wishes" argument, I really feel you're speaking with an authority you don't really have. There's an argument to be made there, but not so assertively and "legalistically".

So, please reconsider your wording in the matter, and in general, try to reduce the sanctimonious effect, really doesn't help the cause. It's still a worthwhile thing you're doing, so just try doing it better ;)
I also got the letter, I can unfortunatly not post to it, so you need only trust me on it -

"Hello, my superior just wrote a response in that thread.
It is not our primary task to police key sharing on our forums, but we will address such occurrences when we notice them. We don't want to block threads or even accounts over this, but we will show that we think partial key sharing is unfair.

Regards,
XXXXX
GOG.com Support"

So what do you want? do I need to bother gog support each time this occurs, or could we just assume people are adult enough to respect gog? (Boy, it looks like gog was mistaken there....)

I could bother them each time, if that is what is needed, but I really hope that we would avoid wasting gog's staff time on this.
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amok: "Regards,
XXXXX
GOG.com Support"
GOG support sent you kisses?! O_o7