Look, he's like every other conservative, he's only interested in things that benefit him, those are "right", the stuff that doesn't help him is evil entitlement.

lol no. Selfishness is thinking of yourself above others. I pay taxes - I'd be fine if my taxes were raised to help others.

You aren't. You're greedy.

Atheists don't understand personal accountability? Atheists don't have a fictional god to fall back on when shit happens. Atheists don't pray their legs get better when they fall into a well. They see a GP.

If an earthquake hits your house, you don't pray everything gets better and the last thing you want is a bible. You roll up your sleeves and you fix it yourself.

And you know this how? What about hanging out with sinners (liberals and atheists?) and publicans (tax collectors, even more hated than normal sinners)? Yeah, he didn't verbally shit on them, he tried to help them too.

Or the adulteress? Or any other number of things. Have you actually read the Bible? I mean all of it? Not just the few verses you go over in Sunday School? Because I have, a couple of times, in a couple of languages. And I'm an "evil" atheist.

Not everything should be provided in the name of profit by free enterprise. Healthcare, being one example. Education, being another. Roads and streetlights being another. The government isn't giving you free money, they are provided a social safety net for those in trouble (like the unemployed). But I see what you're saying. We should smother everyone over the age of 65 with a pillow - why are we incentivising longevity?

In Denmark, during the recession you could claim unemployment benefits for up to four years. Using your biblical logic, that would mean everyone who was fired or laid off would just mooch off the state for four years, right? Fuck no. The unemployment rate stayed around 7-8%, and it still is. Just because the government provides a way for you to fall back, it doesn't mean everyone will take advantage of it. (I'm using Denmark as an example because they have one of the best social welfare programmes I've heard of, but this works for any country that doesn't treat their people like worker bees)

Correction: Danish unemployment rate wasn't 7% in 2008, it was 3.3%.

You realize the Bible includes Jubilee, where you give away all the production of your fields to the poor for an entire year, right? That was religious law.

Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. - Galatians 6:2

Seriously though the Bible says a lot of things I'd think even you'd consider crazy.

Read my second paragraph.

Then there clearly aren't a lot of bums in Denmark. Sorry that your country is a lot more thieving than the rest of the world.
Like when they reject government intervention and then demand petrol prices be lowered to $2.50

XmXFLUXmX this is highly entertaining. It's 3am and I need to get up in 6 hours, but please do keep on going. I do look forward to reading your comments in the morning.
And if there is a god, I would like to thank him for keeping you at least a continent away from me.

edit: and as a finale: you are so detached from reality that I cannot figure out whether you're a troll or a fucking moron. Actually, I can. You're the latter.

You think people want to be homeless? Go talk to them and listen to what they've experienced and then come back. It's easy to judge people whose lives and struggles you know nothing of. It's easy to be judgmental when you're only seeing the surface of the problem.

You don't know what brought them to homelessness in the first place, and while the thought 'why not just get a job?' seems like such common sense, in reality it just won't work because honestly, what kind of business is going to hire a homeless person?

They face so much oppression that it just becomes almost impossible for them to escape the situation they're in. When drugs and alcohol are the only things numbing their pain and helping them to cope with the harsh world they're in - one that we probably can't even imagine that exists in our society - no wonder why you've got drugged up women prostituting themselves and homeless men who smell of booze. It's a hellish existence for them and I think almost all, if not all of the people in those circumstances want to have a 'normal' life with a job and a family. There's just too much oppression from the rest of society that it's just way too difficult for them to do anything without outside help.

Not really taking one side or the other, but:

:poker face:

I don't know how you guys have the patience to talk with XmXFLUXmX. He's gotta be a troll

Enough with the "you're selfish!", "no, you're a mooch!" crap. I think we can all meet in the middle and agree that help can and should be given to those who truly need it, and that those who are capable, when the opportunity exists, should work to take care of themselves as best they can.

Is that a middle ground that we can agree on, and then let that matter drop?