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Aliasalpha: Other kids of course are just crybaby sissies

Yeah, those 8-year-old Danish kids just need to pucker up and learn how to read advanced English. I'd like to see you learn how to read Danish.
Post edited July 08, 2010 by Wishbone
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Aliasalpha: Maybe GOG needs an informal rating built on a user vote style system. Throw up categories like recommended minimum age, level of violence/Gore, adult content, language etc and we can vote to create a community aggregate score for each category.
An example for Fallout:
Recommended Min Age: 5, 10, 12, 15, 18
Violence/Gore: None, Comic/Light, Medium, Strong
Adult content: None, Light, Medium, Strong
Language: None, Mild Crap, Medium Shit, Fucking Strong!

I love that scale. Also, that's a pretty good rating of Fallout.
In regards to the other half of your post:
I was one of those kids, to the point that I was given half my allowance/babysitting fees (older sib) in quarters and was not allowed to spend the other half on the arcade. When I was 10 I was the Queen of the pizza parlor, the only girl with her name in the high scores. That was in 1980, though. The era of Pac Man, Donkey Kong and Dig Dug.
ETA: Actually I love that scale so much I might actually steal it to write a few reviews. I think there isn't anything here I'd say is okay/playable for 5 year olds, though.
Post edited July 08, 2010 by jauncourt
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Aliasalpha: Other kids of course are just crybaby sissies
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Wishbone: Yeah, those 8-year-old Danish kids just need to pucker up and learn how to read advanced English. I'd like to see you learn how to read Danish.

How the hell did language get involved in this? Sure it makes it harder to play a game in english if you don't speak it but so does having only one arm, not the fault of the game in question
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Wishbone: Yeah, those 8-year-old Danish kids just need to pucker up and learn how to read advanced English. I'd like to see you learn how to read Danish.
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Aliasalpha: How the hell did language get involved in this? Sure it makes it harder to play a game in english if you don't speak it but so does having only one arm, not the fault of the game in question

Since we were discussing whether some games imposed requirements of players that not all ages can meet. Do you think anyone could meaningfully play, say, Planescape Torment, without being very good at reading English? And even though you may be a child prodigy, do you really think it is fair to expect of any 8-year-old to learn how to fly a 747 by trial and error?
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Wishbone: Since we were discussing whether some games imposed requirements of players that not all ages can meet. Do you think anyone could meaningfully play, say, Planescape Torment, without being very good at reading English? And even though you may be a child prodigy, do you really think it is fair to expect of any 8-year-old to learn how to fly a 747 by trial and error?

Well, I'm not her, but I do think that she is right in saying that kids are better at learning things than we give them credit for. I also think that if a parent gets a child a slightly-too-advanced game, the onus is on the parent to teach the child how to play it or play it with the child, unless the child expresses a preference to read that manual themselves and be independent of help.
I expect my kids will be like I was, the one in the house with the best grasp of new tech. How many of us were the kid that tech support jokes are about? The one that's referred to when they say "I'll ask to speak to the kid and we'll get done much faster." That doesn't make my job easier, but harder, because I know I'll have to keep a closer eye on them.
As a side note, I have deliberately used different linguistic settings on a couple of games (when they were available) to brush up on other languages. It's actually a good learning tool to force yourself to immerse like that.
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jauncourt: Well, I'm not her, but I do think that she is right in saying that kids are better at learning things than we give them credit for.

Oh, sure. And she is, in fact, a he ;-)
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jauncourt: I expect my kids will be like I was, the one in the house with the best grasp of new tech. How many of us were the kid that tech support jokes are about?

Well, me for one. However, my kid is somewhat more extroverted and outdoors-y than I was. Plus, I never stopped being a geek. I'm a software developer by trade. I think it'll be many years before he (possibly) surpasses me in that regard.
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jauncourt: As a side note, I have deliberately used different linguistic settings on a couple of games (when they were available) to brush up on other languages. It's actually a good learning tool to force yourself to immerse like that.

Oh, I agree. I learned a lot of English from computer games. But you need to have a basic grasp of the language in the first place, in order to get any benefit from it. You can't just take a kid who can just barely read simple words in his own language (or can't read at all yet), put him in front of a text adventure in English, and expect him to get anywhere.
Some games are simply too difficult for some age groups, that is all I am saying.
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Wishbone: Oh, I agree. I learned a lot of English from computer games. But you need to have a basic grasp of the language in the first place, in order to get any benefit from it. You can't just take a kid who can just barely read simple words in his own language (or can't read at all yet), put him in front of a text adventure in English, and expect him to get anywhere.

Yeah but thats because the kid doesn't meet the system requirements, its not an issue with the game. Getting an english game (with no localisation work) for a child that doesn't understand English and complaining when he/she/it doesn't understand everything is sort of like buying a GTX480 and then complaining that there's no drivers for Win3.1
Heh maybe [url=http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938370]this is the answer[/url].
Post edited July 08, 2010 by Aliasalpha
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Wishbone: Oh, I agree. I learned a lot of English from computer games. But you need to have a basic grasp of the language in the first place, in order to get any benefit from it. You can't just take a kid who can just barely read simple words in his own language (or can't read at all yet), put him in front of a text adventure in English, and expect him to get anywhere.
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Aliasalpha: Yeah but thats because the kid doesn't meet the system requirements

Which is what I've been saying all along, if you cared to pay attention ;-) You've been arguing that there are no system requirements.