Posted May 18, 2011
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Kwisatz Haderach
Registered: Jan 2011
From Australia
Posted May 18, 2011
I bet they've never heard of Jstin Bieber there. Lucky Microbe bastards.
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dada_dave
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Posted May 18, 2011
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The reason for this is simple. Space is, for lack a of a better word, hard. Very hard and very costly. It is extremely expensive to put objects into space and with exception of satellite communication systems, very unprofitable. Most people who make statements such as yours have no conception of just how difficult space is and why projects seem to generate so much waste. Most programs run far over budget and over time because the fact of the matter is most things fail. The slightest mistake fixable on Earth is disastrous in space, so you if don't put up something perfect the first time it becomes ever so much junk in orbit or litter on the surface of Mars. And given the cost of putting it up there and the equipment itself, you've just wasted many millions of dollars and years of work (and people if it is a manned mission) in about 30 minutes of launch - that's even if the rocket takes off alright which is not a given (and if it doesn't you've wasted them in about 10 sec). No company wants to take that kind of risk.
We may eventually reach a point where we obtain the technology to lessen the costs of operating in space and I try not to prognosticate about when that will happen since the evolution of technology can be difficult to predict. However, we are not yet at the point where space is a profitable business. Licensing technology can only get you so far. You have to actually do something once you're up there and there exist no mechanism to generate profit from the space travel itself. Not to overuse the old meme:
1. Create Company for Space Travel
2. ???
3. PROFIT
Post edited May 18, 2011 by crazy_dave
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dada_dave
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Posted May 18, 2011
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Also, yes space is hard...and it costs. But then why haven't we branched into developing and using some of those advanced technologies NASA has developed and never put into mainstream use? Like ion engines instead of liquid/solid fuel rocket propulsion? Or that one space vehicle which used nuclear missiles as it's propulsion drive?
At the moment alternative travel technologies are not practical beyond the toy phase - if that, most of those are drawing board only, concepts on their way to becoming ideas - and right now just getting stuff into space is the expensive part. To be perfectly blunt, we have a huge infrastructure built around rockets. Moving off of that infrastructure for space travel is expensive in and of itself and would consume a huge amount of time to prepare the alternative system for regular use if and when an alternative system was proven to be better. It would require an enormous government effort and time before an alternative system was ready though I agree it will be necessary to do if we were serious about cutting costs for space.
As Orcishgamer noted, we'd rather blow ourselves up. Since humans seem incapable of being civil to each other and we have to spend money on huge militaries to defend against each other and kill other humans, it becomes a choice between spending huge resources on space travel to nowhere or caring for our population. The trouble with the XKCD comic is that if we don't care for our population on Earth (or the planet itself) we'll never get to the point of reaching space in any meaningful way (i.e. actually reaching other habitable planets). Those space-farers probably also look upon the remains of civilizations who pushed too soon before they were ready and destroyed themselves as a result.
Post edited May 18, 2011 by crazy_dave
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Posted May 18, 2011
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Profit
:)
The russians are trying that - still not profitable, only reduces costs.
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Speaking of research, I should be getting back to mine. :)
Post edited May 18, 2011 by crazy_dave
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lowyhong
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Registered: Dec 2008
From Singapore
Posted May 18, 2011
Yeah it's very cool. We learned about the Gliese 581 system last semester, shortly after scientists announced their discovery of it. It's really exciting to see astronomy progress so quickly.
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Kwisatz Haderach
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stonebro
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Registered: Sep 2008
From Netherlands
Posted May 18, 2011
Which is?
cogadh: It's not a fallacy, it's simply pragmatic. Sure, we have theories and ideas on how life could form in other ways, such as silicon instead of carbon based life, or the ammonia you mention, but we have no real examples of life like that. Why bother looking for the theoretical when we know that the conditions here on Earth have already produced life based on facts, not theories? Since there's obviously moolah involved, it's a fair point. People who back the search want to maximize their probabilities of being named when the first alien microbe is found I suppose.
It's just that this if (!water) life = 0 additude permeates everything to the point where most people think that life simply cannot exist without it anywhere in the universe. Which in turn feeds the lookfor(life) where(water) process further. And that's the huge fallacy.
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It's just that this if (!water) life = 0 additude permeates everything to the point where most people think that life simply cannot exist without it anywhere in the universe. Which in turn feeds the lookfor(life) where(water) process further. And that's the huge fallacy.
Post edited May 18, 2011 by stonebro
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dada_dave
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Posted May 18, 2011
Post edited May 18, 2011 by crazy_dave
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CyPhErIoN
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Registered: Jun 2009
From Belgium
Posted May 18, 2011
Last time i looked it is either :
"Does this/it make grammatical sense?" when meaning to express a question
yours is a command so you should use a ! at the end of your command.
You used the imperative of the verb to make.
Long story short , who cares? It's a joke.
(Anything involving bieber is a joke.)
"Does this/it make grammatical sense?" when meaning to express a question
yours is a command so you should use a ! at the end of your command.
You used the imperative of the verb to make.
Long story short , who cares? It's a joke.
(Anything involving bieber is a joke.)
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Maighstir
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From Sweden
Posted May 18, 2011
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yours is a command so you should use a ! at the end of your command.
You used the imperative of the verb to make.
Long story short , who cares? It's a joke.
(Anything involving bieber is a joke.)
The question form I used is: How does "quote" make grammatical sense?
The question "Does 'quote' make grammatical sense?" would be answered with a simple yes or no, where my question asks for an explanation or reasoning.
But yes, it is undeniably a joke.
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CyPhErIoN
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Registered: Jun 2009
From Belgium
Posted May 18, 2011
I think we should just forget it miaghstir :)
I'm a builder , not a poet.
And I'm quite sure that i will make much more grammatical errors in the future.
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Cyph
I'm a builder , not a poet.
And I'm quite sure that i will make much more grammatical errors in the future.
med vänliga hälsningar
Cyph