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So which post will the OP pick as the solution?
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Nirth: I should know better than to answer a post a like this but just out of curiousity, please provide the main argument that would back this up?
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Pheace: There isn't one of course, a true videogame lover would get the game regardless of any possible inconveniences he may endure, since it's all about the game.
I can't really agree with that, I have a moral and ethical stance against Steam and I do not, and will never support it, this means I may miss out on renting a few games I would other ways like but my principles come before convenience.

Since when does being a 'true videogame lover' mean going against one's own principles and blindly, mindlessly cowtowing to every objectionable business practice or restriction thrown at them? It's just not that black and white.
Post edited January 11, 2014 by ReynardFox
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Nirth: I should know better than to answer a post a like this but just out of curiousity, please provide the main argument that would back this up?
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Pheace: There isn't one of course, a true videogame lover would get the game regardless of any possible inconveniences he may endure, since it's all about the game.
I can't agree with this. I'm not a video game lover because I'd much rather NOT deal with inconveniences? There are thousands of games out there for me to enjoy, if one wants to inconvenience me I'd much rather skip it and play one that doesn't waste my time with BS.
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JKHSawyer: I can't agree with this. I'm not a video game lover because I'd much rather NOT deal with inconveniences? There are thousands of games out there for me to enjoy, if one wants to inconvenience me I'd much rather skip it and play one that doesn't waste my time with BS.
+1
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scampywiak: It also does not save your credit info which is the best defense against hack attempts.
While that's true Steam Guard is also a good idea and that is something GOG should adopt in the future especially once it grows larger, increasing the chances for hacking attempts.
Basically, GoG is a great distributor that makes old classics run on modern machines - and now also carries Indie titles - all DRM free. Meaning you can save it to disks yourself. You can play an adventure game you bought for yourself - meanwhile your hubby can play his classic shooter, your daughter can her RPG, your son can play his RTS.- all at the same time. You don't have to take turns on the same machine to play the different games you bought. :P It's much closer to the experience of owning the store-bought disk (when DRM wasn't too bad.)

I also prefer to buy a game on GoG rather than Steam if it is a choice. I finally tried Steam when they were giving out Portal 1. I had heard so many good things about Portal, and it lived up to all of them. My son likes some games on Steam now that you can only find there. I was given a few games on Steam recently, and it seems easy enough to play them. I just wish you didn't have to be online every time you wanted to play a game you own on Steam.

Steam runs very well, but the client requires being online with games that don't acquire any additional benefits for being played online (a needless risk for players.) Steam has great sales and a wonderful catalog. My personal experience has been positive, so far. I just wish we had thought to create a second account sooner than this.

Moreover you can only play ONE of the games you own on Steam at a time, and no one else in your family can be playing any other game you bought on Steam unless you specially bought it in another account, nor, it seems can we fix this oversight by dividing those licenses after the fact. All we can do is take turns with it, which can be annoying.

I have read that you can still run into complications tripping up your machine from bad DRM schemes after purchasing some titles.I don't know if this is true or not. I thought the Steam client was in place of those draconian measures? Would anyone tell me if this is true or not? If its true, is there a site listing the games that have been a problem this way?
Post edited January 11, 2014 by SalarShushan
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Pheace: There isn't one of course, a true videogame lover would get the game regardless of any possible inconveniences he may endure, since it's all about the game.
The OP did ask for pro's and con's on both GOG and Steam, did he not? What does "true gamer" (which is honestly a meaningless and quite useless term now) have to do with this?
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cannard: So which post will the OP pick as the solution?
Not yours nor mine, but it really is the only original thing about this thread IMHO ;)
dont have a problem with both , both of them have some great games worth getting .
As soon as i saw both Gog and steam i adapted to using both and have the best of both worlds for gaming , no crying over stuff like drm and what not
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liquidsnakehpks: dont have a problem with both , both of them have some great games worth getting .
As soon as i saw both Gog and steam i adapted to using both and have the best of both worlds for gaming , no crying over stuff like drm and what not
You are part of the problem. At least I admit it, you are in denial. Keep telling yourself DRM is a good thing.
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liquidsnakehpks: dont have a problem with both , both of them have some great games worth getting .
As soon as i saw both Gog and steam i adapted to using both and have the best of both worlds for gaming , no crying over stuff like drm and what not
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scampywiak: You are part of the problem. At least I admit it, you are in denial. Keep telling yourself DRM is a good thing.
i dont care about the drm , i am more concerned with me playing the game actually and finishing it and enjoying the game , i can throw drm after i finish the game , no one gives a crap.

i am not collector who keeps a bunch of backlog and collects games without playing them , drm or drm free , playing the game is more important
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scampywiak: You are part of the problem. At least I admit it, you are in denial. Keep telling yourself DRM is a good thing.
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liquidsnakehpks: i dont care about the drm , i am more concerned with me playing the game actually and finishing it and enjoying the game , i can throw drm after i finish the game , no one gives a crap.

i am not collector who keeps a bunch of backlog and collects games without playing them , drm or drm free , playing the game is more important
DRM is a blockade between the creator and the buyer. I don't think you fully understand the implications here. It means the middle man can regulate and control what we, the public can have access to. If it was up to them, we'd be playing nothing but Call of Doodie and GTA. Because those games make the most money. And everything would be always online.
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meudoland: moreover the true videogame lovers are only here.
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Nirth: I should know better than to answer a post a like this but just out of curiousity, please provide the main argument that would back this up?
I will never buy a game (or even get for free) at Steam.
is it ok as reply??
It depends on what you as the gamer are happy with. If like me you have a zero compromise attitude to DRM, then you really can only use GoG. If DRM does not bother you then Steam is fine.

GoG = anti-DRM

Steam = DRM

There are grey area's around that. The Steam fan will say not ALL games require being logged onto Steam etc, but ultimately Steam is a DD where they have all the control over if you can play your games or not. Annoy one of their reps on the Steam forum which results in a ban and suddenly you can't play a bunch of your games etc. Steam going out of business one day would also mean losing that ability to play your games (and no i don't believe for a minute in the financial turmoil of that event someone will take the time (money) and effort to make sure suddenly all your games are Steam-free).

Steam has the advantage of a huge user base, more modern games and lots of features for 'friends lists' and multiplayer, and it is the force pushing super cheap gaming into the market place.

However i'm someone that believes in my right to actually own what i pay for. I give you money and you give me something i then fully own/control. So any system of DRM (Online MP required etc) that gets in the way of that becomes not viable for me, personally. And before Steam fans go the 'but you don't 'own' any software, read the eula etc!', the difference is all in the implementation. Good luck Mr.Software maker coming around my house to force me to delete my GoG installers! (or break my cd's/dvd's etc). It's never going to happen, these things actually belong to me. Your Steam games actually belong to Steam (in practice, they control your access to them, and can stop that access at any time).
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RayRay13000: The OP did ask for pro's and con's on both GOG and Steam, did he not? What does "true gamer" (which is honestly a meaningless and quite useless term now) have to do with this?
ask Meudoland, he's the one who brought it into the conversation.

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JKHSawyer: I can't agree with this. I'm not a video game lover because I'd much rather NOT deal with inconveniences? There are thousands of games out there for me to enjoy, if one wants to inconvenience me I'd much rather skip it and play one that doesn't waste my time with BS.
I'm not trying to sound all inclusive, but I do think that at some point, if you really really want to play a game, most people would do it despite possible inconveniences some DRM may have. (Hence the posts here from people opposed to DRM yet still buying certain Steam games) I've bought games off Origin although I have no particular desire to have games there, but they were only there, so I did. If I want to play a game enough I will.

Also, remember my quote is a counterpoint to the original post made here by Meudoland that " the true videogame lovers are only here (GOG)."

Is that a quote you agree with?
Post edited January 12, 2014 by Pheace