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Posted May 09, 2012
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Fred_DM: i don't mind newer or even brand-new games on GOG, but to be perfectly frank, they are not the reason i shop here. i can get new games in half a dozen other places, often cheaper, or on disc (which is a huge plus with games several GB large).

GOG will always mean Good Old Games to me. claiming that GOG no longer means "Good Old Games" is silly.

the problem with offering newer games is that it slows down the speed at which older games get released, and they've been released at a crawling pace to begin with! so, unless they make a habit of releasing 2-3 Good Old Games each week in addition to any newer games, it'll take longer and longer for more older games to show up here.

GOG managed to carve itself a nice little niche in the digital distribution market by focussing on older, hard-to-get titles (like EA classics). that was the site's identity, and the reason most of us came here in the first place. with the increasing focus on newer games, GOG is losing that identity, to an extent. the only thing making GOG stand out from the rest of the digital distribution scene is the DRM-free sales pitch, and let's face it: apart from a few sticks in the mud here, most gamers don't care about DRM either way (Steam: over 30 million active account; Origin: over 11 million user in under a year).

i just hope GOG do the right thing and don't forget that to many, especially long-time members, GOG still means "Good Old Games"...
Actually they are releasing old games at the same rate if not faster than they were before ... the overall rate of games released a week has doubled since they introduced selling newer games.
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: that company intrududing into your data to sell on to third parties
wut? i hope you're not talking about EA/Origin...

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ThorChild: plain old fashioned DRM that can screw your hardware up.
still living in the late 90s, are we?

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crazy_dave: Actually they are releasing old games at the same rate if not faster than they were before ... the overall rate of games released a week has doubled since they introduced selling newer games.
well, like i said: if they manage to make a habit of releasing 2-3 older games per week, then fair enough. but it remains to be seen if they can (or want to) keep this up.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by Fred_DM
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: as long as they are 'Good' and really DRM free (as opposed to pretend DRM free).
Personally I don't even care a lot about the "good". I also enjoy checking out games that were forgotten for comprehensible reasons. Bad examples also tell you a lot about what makes a game "good". And if there's something to learn there's something to enjoy (at least if you have an approach similar to mine).
Posted May 09, 2012
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Fred_DM: well, like i said: if they manage to make a habit of releasing 2-3 older games per week, then fair enough. but it remains to be seen if they can (or want to) keep this up.
Well only so many games were created before 1990(compared to the tons released today anyways), and only so many can be considered good(either to the fans of the game's genre or fans of games in general)....and still less of those cna be easily gotten/made to run on newer OSs by GOG. So no, they can't keep releasing old games forever.

What? Do you expect them to go to alternate universes and take their games or time travel to the past and create more "new" old games for them to release or something? ;)
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: that company intrududing into your data to sell on to third parties
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Fred_DM: wut? i hope you're not talking about EA/Origin...

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ThorChild: plain old fashioned DRM that can screw your hardware up.
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Fred_DM: still living in the late 90s, are we?
EA/Origin is one of them:

http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/24/ea039s-origin-eula-hides-data-mining-clause

But not the only one:

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?98021-What-does-Steam-upload-from-my-computer/page2

http://forums.civfanatics.com/archive/index.php/t-367264.html

And no, 2012 like everyone else ;) But i've experienced 'bad' DRM before, the last time about 5 years ago, and it hosed one of my DVD-writters (as in it stopped working, at 4 months old). It was one of the SecuRom DRM's, can't remember which one exactly. This site has some decent all round info on this kind of thing, and how to solve issues etc:

http://www.reclaimyourgame.com/

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ThorChild: as long as they are 'Good' and really DRM free (as opposed to pretend DRM free).
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F4LL0UT: Personally I don't even care a lot about the "good". I also enjoy checking out games that were forgotten for comprehensible reasons. Bad examples also tell you a lot about what makes a game "good". And if there's something to learn there's something to enjoy (at least if you have an approach similar to mine).
True, bad games can be educational! although i'm sure GOG would not be as popular as it is if it had only concentrated on the bad ;)
Post edited May 09, 2012 by ThorChild
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: as long as they are 'Good' and really DRM free (as opposed to pretend DRM free).
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F4LL0UT: Personally I don't even care a lot about the "good". I also enjoy checking out games that were forgotten for comprehensible reasons. Bad examples also tell you a lot about what makes a game "good". And if there's something to learn there's something to enjoy (at least if you have an approach similar to mine).
A good example of this is Daikatana.....alot of people hate it due to the bugs and marketing campaign Romero pulled off, but I find it's good in a cheesy sort of scifi-fps(tps?) way.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by GameRager
Posted May 09, 2012
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GameRager: Well only so many games were created before 1990(compared to the tons released today anyways), and only so many can be considered good(either to the fans of the game's genre or fans of games in general)....and still less of those cna be easily gotten/made to run on newer OSs by GOG. So no, they can't keep releasing old games forever.
wut? who says only pre-1990 games qualify as "Good old Games"? compatibility shouldn't be a problem. DOS games can be run through DOSBOX with practically no effort. Win 95 and 98 are tougher to get to run on modern systems, but if i can do it in like 95% of all cases, then so should GOG.

there must be hundreds if not thousands of Good Old Games that GOG should still release. that source isn't going to dry up anytime soon. the rest of the EA backlog alone could probably keep GOG going for a few more years...
Posted May 09, 2012
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Fred_DM: well, like i said: if they manage to make a habit of releasing 2-3 older games per week, then fair enough. but it remains to be seen if they can (or want to) keep this up.
well eventually it will have to peter off :) ... or go deep into the MoO3 territory of "Good Old Games" ;)

There are actually only so many actual Good Old Games - then restrict that further to those classics which GOG can actually get its hands on, where the legal issues work out to allow GOG to sell the old game - who knows how long GOG could keep up selling exclusively older titles anyway? In fact, GOG may be in a better position to negotiate the release of classic games if it can continue to grow its user base and catalog. As mentioned in the thread, some of the remaining holdouts may be convinced to sign on the dotted line if GOG has a larger user base ... or they (the holdout publishers) have a sudden, unfortunate change in management ... BUWAHAHAHAHA ... yes ...
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Fred_DM: there must be hundreds if not thousands of Good Old Games that GOG should still release. that source isn't going to dry up anytime soon. the rest of the EA backlog alone could probably keep GOG going for a few more years...
Hundreds ... maybe ... thousands ... probably not. Again, it's not just can GOG convince the IP holders to sell - that's a problem in and of itself - but for some games, especially obscure old ones, it's even difficult to find out who owns the dang game now and worse yet it may be split amongst many owners.

However, for the moment, GOG seems just as committed as it was before to release old classics.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by crazy_dave
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: EA/Origin is one of them:

http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/24/ea039s-origin-eula-hides-data-mining-clause
i knew you were gonna bring this up, and i also knew you never bothered to check the story to the end. long story short: Origin doesn't actually spy on your computer.

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crazy_dave: Again, it's not just can GOG convince the IP holders to sell - that's a problem in and of itself - but for some games, especially obscure old ones, it's even difficult to find out who owns the dang game now and worse yet it may be split amongst many owners.
yeah, i think that's the one good point here. legal complications probably account for the majority of no-shows on GOG, sadly.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by Fred_DM
Posted May 09, 2012
Also, this just in: C is for Cookie!
Posted May 09, 2012
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GameRager: A good example of this is Daikatana.....alot of people hate it due to the bugs and marketing campaign Romero pulled off, but I find it's good in a cheesy sort of scifi-fps(tps?) way.
Exactly. Chances are good that I'll consider the game terrible but I still hope that it's gonna find its way to GOG just so I can finally see for myself what the all the fuss was about.
Posted May 09, 2012
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crazy_dave: or they have a sudden, unfortunate change in management ... BUWAHAHAHAHA ... yes ...
Not impossible. The main parent company is publicly available ^^
Posted May 09, 2012
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ThorChild: EA/Origin is one of them:

http://gamepolitics.com/2011/08/24/ea039s-origin-eula-hides-data-mining-clause
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Fred_DM: i knew you were gonna bring this up, and i also knew you never bothered to check the story to the end. long story short: Origin doesn't actually spy on your computer.
Well it is an issue around badly worded EULA's. That won't aid in non invasive DRM and unless people make a fuss, they will try to get away with what they can. Information is money in their world. But more, dull, info on the Origin stuff in particular, just for balance:

http://www.gamerlaw.co.uk/2011/08/ea-origins-eula-is-non-story.html

long story short, GOG is never going to spy on your PC, browsing habits or use DRM that might mess with your computer. They were founded to be the exact counter to those practices gamers were in general being forced to get used to. It's why i only use GOG for DD, i like what they stand for. I vote with my wallet.

But we have got a bit OT here. So for the record i see no problem with GOG selling any game as long as it sticks to their DRM free ethic, and as F4LL0UT helped me clarify, the games don't always have to be 'Good' either ;)
Post edited May 09, 2012 by ThorChild
Posted May 09, 2012
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crazy_dave: or they have a sudden, unfortunate change in management ... BUWAHAHAHAHA ... yes ...
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Pheace: Not impossible. The main parent company is publicly available ^^
The management I was referring to was for LucasArts and Microsoft Games and the other major non-GOG publishers left. Edited original post for clarity.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by crazy_dave
Posted May 09, 2012
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GameRager: Well only so many games were created before 1990(compared to the tons released today anyways), and only so many can be considered good(either to the fans of the game's genre or fans of games in general)....and still less of those cna be easily gotten/made to run on newer OSs by GOG. So no, they can't keep releasing old games forever.
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Fred_DM: wut? who says only pre-1990 games qualify as "Good old Games"? compatibility shouldn't be a problem. DOS games can be run through DOSBOX with practically no effort. Win 95 and 98 are tougher to get to run on modern systems, but if i can do it in like 95% of all cases, then so should GOG.

there must be hundreds if not thousands of Good Old Games that GOG should still release. that source isn't going to dry up anytime soon. the rest of the EA backlog alone could probably keep GOG going for a few more years...
By pre-1990 I was talking about the OLD part, not the good part.....never said only pre-1990 games can qualify as good games. ;)

(And as I said before, getting such games to run is only one path leading to an eventual "running-out" of classic, older games GOG can and will be able to bring to GOG at any point in the future.)

As for getting games to run, well they can't use community fixes without said author's permission.......GOG would possibly have to either get permission to use such fixes or create their own. And those are only some of the issues that could arise with getting non-dos GOGs to run on newer OSs.
Post edited May 09, 2012 by GameRager
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