The tags may come out REALLY bad in this post, sorry in advance if so. Can't preview, sadly, I think.
Typhoon45: Fine. If I have to throw my lot in, I'll
vote Al1 with Zchinque, because when Al1 is lynched I'll know if Z was playing us or not.
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What? How does that even make sense? You're willing to trust him and vote along on a random person after asking him earlier why he was voting him and pressing him when you didn't get an answer?
Here's an ISO of typhoon's last few posts:
Typhoon45: I have to agree, the fact that Zchinque hasn't even trotted out a "random voting" excuse is kind of suspicious. Care to elaborate, Z?
Okay, asking for reason why he voted Al1.
Typhoon45: I'm going to call shenanigans on this one. It's just as likely the everyone who has voted so far is mafia as they are innocent, and that the Mafia is just egging everyone on by pointing the FoS at each other.
So screw rational discussion! I'm going vote nolynch until further notice.
Okay, so everyone voting so far could well be random, you are unwilling to put stock in it and want to essentially stay neutral. A little scummy because if you are scum, you know no one else is scum (assuming 2 factions), therefore there's no need to "go hunting". But it is still early.
Zchinque: Voting nolynch is terribad. Please stop.
Typhoon45: So explain your damn self already. If you are a day cop, then say so. If you are pretending to be a day cop to try and get a lynch, then pretend to be a day cop already. (Actually, this makes your scum claim make sense). Either way, you are obviously NOT getting a mass claim at this point, so you have to decide on what to do - from what I've seen, you seem to be trying to play this close to the belt, but the belt appears to be on the other side of the bloody school.
This is dangerously close to rolefishing. It's even more rolefishy than what Zch did by wondering about a claim, because you directly are mentioning roles and wondering if they are in the game (definition of rolefishing, which Mafia do to try to find the power roles to kill).
jesskitten: @Typhoon, you are right in that currently it's nearly impossible to tell the chaff from the wheat yet. But voting no-lynch isn't the way to go, as that's a firm declaration you're willing to go into night 1 with no lynch, which is the town's most powerful, and possibly only killing, tool. It goes far above and beyond saying "It's too unclear to vote right now." Why are you against rational discussion? If somehow that vote passed right now, it would be very advantageous for Mafia (killing off a free townie) but what would town gain from it since there has been nearly no discussion? We'd be back to square 1 with 1 less person and no meaningful evidence.
Typhoon45: I would like to point out that that post didn't go through about 3 times, so I was kind of ticked off when I was typing it up for the final sending. I'm all for rational discussion.
Can we start having some now? From what I've seen so far it has gone "you're Scum!" "No YOU'RE Scum!", etc.
Backtracking on an earlier post that was made fairly recently at the first sign of decent pressure (if you really disagreed with your own post, you already could have mentioned it immediately because you had another post in between) without any attempt to explain any bit of it. There are legit reasons to explain that post #63, no-lynch etc away, though I don't agree with them, but wishywashiness can be a fairly strong scum tell because it's like you're trying too hard not to offend anyone and stay neutral so no one suspects you.
Actually, it's worse because the one post you DID make in the middle also involved a reply to Zch's attack on #63, but since it was a short post you just rushed it off and attacked him instead, since he was already the largest wagon at the moment. Why didn't you use the "I was ticked off, I'm really all for rational discussion" post in #68 instead when Z asked?
Damnation: All it takes is for someone to start a rational discussion and not bide into the rampart and remedial accusations. If you have something you wish brought up for discussion, it would be most plausible it would be discussed intelligently if presented properly.
Typhoon45: Alrighty then, lets have a chat. Do you think that Zchinque could possibly be some kind of Day Cop? If so, what other kind of characters could be kicking around, to give a reason for that kind of advantage. In fact, we may be playing some sort of no-doctor game, in which case the town is in trouble. OR, Zchinque could be playing everyone, and just letting us jump to our own conclusions about his role.
Either way, I know that my nolynch vote does nothing helpful at this stage, but I am simply trying to establish my neutrality in this situation.
Gadzooks, MORE role fishing. Now asking for a doc too. And making sure everyone knows you're nice and neutral and unsuspecting. It's classic scum play, intended or otherwise.
That's fair enough, but we may as well make a guess anyway. At least there's one less suspect if we're wrong.
Typhoon45: unvote nolynch Fine. If I have to throw my lot in, I'll
vote Al1 with Zchinque, because when Al1 is lynched I'll know if Z was playing us or not.
And now to take the cake, you not only do not vote Zchinque, who you already suspected from earlier, but you vote his target, an innocent bandwagon, who you had no prior accusation for up till now, thus hoping that if Zchinque gets lynched and flips town (assuming the scenario you are mafia and you know he's town), you won't be seen on his major bandwagon. Why didn't you vote him since you were accusing him earlier? You know what he was doing by his vote on Al1? He's fishing for fishy reactions. And I think he got one.
Vote Typhoon45 And preview edit: I see more rolefishing. But gotta run for the moment. :P