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This is my favourite topic
Posted June 10, 2010
I see people on both sides actually doing a decent job of having a discussion and explaining their opinion. Cool.
As for those who are actually trying to convince people on the opposite end that their opinion is wrong...you're an idiot, please fuck off.
Posted June 10, 2010
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lackoo1111: "but once the game has activated on Steam, you can throw out the game DVD entirely and just download the game over Steam"
releasing retail version is useless

Retail is good for people who have slow internet. For example, I bought GTA4 on Steam and it was 16gb download. At the time, my connection maxed out at 150kb/s. It took me like 3 days to download it.
Also, I got a retail version of L4D2 because when it was on sale for $25 on Steam I waited until the last day to buy it, and Valve ended the sale before they said they would've. So I got it on Amazon because they had the same sale and it was still valid at the time. Free shipping too.
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Holy crap where did 10 pages come from?
Post edited June 10, 2010 by Kingoftherings
Posted June 10, 2010
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Crassmaster: I see people on both sides actually doing a decent job of having a discussion and explaining their opinion. Cool.
As for those who are actually trying to convince people on the opposite end that their opinion is wrong...you're an idiot, please fuck off.

Well when the topic states that this is "bad news" the hostility has already been created from the first post.
Posted June 10, 2010
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Hammerfall: Well when the topic states that this is "bad news" the hostility has already been created from the first post.

Well it IS bad news for veterans of Fallout 3. The original didn't even have DRM. The Launcher did but the .exe didn't. Then the Fallout Mod Manager which got the thumbs up from Bethesda disabled GFWL. For people who dislike Steam or indeed any DRM this is bad news, how else do you address it?
"Hey guys we are using Steam. This means you need a net connection to install the game AND you need a Steam account. You can play offline but the offline mode is a little buggy which Valve have no intention of fixing, it also needs to dial home every once in a while. Oh and make sure you turn auto-updates off as that might mess up your mods. Oh and if you are online Steam will load up some adverts for the Steam store when you start it."
Posted June 10, 2010
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Hammerfall: The same people who claim games are not that big of a deal and skip out on their favorite games just because they use steamworks should use that same logic backwards and instead not make using steam a big deal and play their favorite games. Personally, that seems like the better deal. Personally, for me playing my favorite game and dealing with the negatives of steam (for which me don't even exist) far outweighs just never playing it at all.
I use the word *favorite* not really to describe fallout.. But I've heard a lot of people complain about Civ V being their favorite game and refusing to play it. What a loss for them I guess....

That would be called 'compromising your principles', and while it would result in one being able to play that game one wants to play, for some people their principles outweigh that benefit.
Posted June 10, 2010
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Crassmaster: I see people on both sides actually doing a decent job of having a discussion and explaining their opinion. Cool.
As for those who are actually trying to convince people on the opposite end that their opinion is wrong...you're an idiot, please fuck off.
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Hammerfall: Well when the topic states that this is "bad news" the hostility has already been created from the first post.

This is GOG that has DRM free games. There should be "hostility" here by default for games infested with DRM. The post isn't the problem the DRM in the game is.
Posted June 11, 2010
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Hammerfall: Well when the topic states that this is "bad news" the hostility has already been created from the first post.
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DosFreak: This is GOG that has DRM free games. There should be "hostility" here by default for games infested with DRM. The post isn't the problem the DRM in the game is.

Sorry, but anyone who actually gets so worked up that they exhibit hostility over DRM needs to get some perspective.
Posted June 11, 2010
I'm I the only one that this doesn't bother at all? I've purchased somewhere around 70 games from Steam, and I've never had any trouble with their DRM. Even when my internet was down, Steam asked if I'd like to go into offline mode, and I had no trouble playing any of my games.
Am I the only one with love for Steam?
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Hammerfall: Well when the topic states that this is "bad news" the hostility has already been created from the first post.
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DosFreak: This is GOG that has DRM free games. There should be "hostility" here by default for games infested with DRM. The post isn't the problem the DRM in the game is.

...Yes because we all come here for the fact that the games have no DRM. Couldn't be because of the great prices or the ability to support the DEVs of these Good Old Games...
Though again, what's the problem with Steam's DRM?
Post edited June 11, 2010 by Weasler
Posted June 11, 2010
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tacitus59: To those defenders of Impulse; I hope you are right and Impulse Reactor not the unfocused mess that other Impulse ideas tend to be. Brad always tells a good story and then forgets about "it" 6 months later.

Just caught this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_Reactor_and_Goo_Game_List
Quite a decent list actually.
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Weasler: I'm I the only one that this doesn't bother at all? I've purchased somewhere around 70 games from Steam, and I've never had any trouble with their DRM. Even when my internet was down, Steam asked if I'd like to go into offline mode, and I had no trouble playing any of my games.

For the millionth time, that's beside the point. If everyone or the majority had problems, Steam wouldn't be successful. We're just trying to warn you there's a fair chance you can get screwed, if only indirectly (e.g. more control Steam has, the worse that is for the customer and competition). And then some of us are just annoyed the client is required. And the damn ads....
But again, to be fair, they've improved the service considerably over the last while, offline mode being one of those aspects...I noticed an update awhile ago that said something to the effect of it "actually working" now...before if the Steam client wasn't updated, offline mode wouldn't work. I assume it does now, which is great.
Post edited June 11, 2010 by chautemoc
Posted June 11, 2010
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Weasler: Am I the only one with love for Steam?

Most folks simply dislike the DRM it imposes on the user or have no need for the services offered or both. No matter how you state your case . . . there is a rush to dismiss the opinions of the opposing side. The pros and cons of the Steam model is a tired subject on these forums since it has been discussed to the point of absurdity . . . =)
Don't be surprised to find lots of folks (on a site that sells DRM free games) who are not enthusiastic towards folks touting the wonders of a DRM service. Many here also use Steam and don't need to be resold on the idea.
Post edited June 11, 2010 by Stuff
Posted June 11, 2010
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Weasler: Yes because we all come here for the fact that the games have no DRM. Couldn't be because of the great prices or the ability to support the DEVs of these Good Old Games...

You forgot to add hard to find games.For a few of the games on this site can be next to hard to find in a store.
and we need to set a line by what everyone means by drm. some i read there post as meaning disk checks others i read as if there talking about the ubisoft drm.
games that let you install only so many times that don't have a tool to revoke them. Well i won;t be buying these games any soon.I am not sure about the rest of you but i install games way more offen then 3 times. There are many things that could go wrong were you could use up these 3 install limits faster then someone eating over 9000 pies.
Posted June 11, 2010
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Weasler: Am I the only one with love for Steam?

I wouldn't go as far as love. But I certainly don't have a problem with it when the price is right (which in a non-USD country requires a sale). Generally speaking I find it less bothersome than most DRM, including disc checks.
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DosFreak: This is GOG that has DRM free games. There should be "hostility" here by default for games infested with DRM. The post isn't the problem the DRM in the game is.

So because this site has a feature you like, everyone should be entirely focussed on that feature at the exclusion of all else? Sorry, but I don't see how you're speaking for everyone here. Sure, a lot of people value the lack of DRM. A few even require it. But it most certainly isn't true that everyone does, or even that they should.
Post edited June 11, 2010 by Navagon
Posted June 11, 2010
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somegoger: over 9000

Vegeta what does the scouter say about his power level?
ITS OVER 9000
Over 9000 that can't be right theres no way he's stronger then me
Posted June 11, 2010
don't see much of a problem, it's much better than freakin GFWL
the only better alternative is to have no DRM at all. seeing as how unlikely that'd be on a game like this, this is good news imo. all other DRM are just as bad or worse
Posted June 11, 2010
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Navagon: So because this site has a feature you like, everyone should be entirely focussed on that feature at the exclusion of all else? Sorry, but I don't see how you're speaking for everyone here. Sure, a lot of people value the lack of DRM. A few even require it. But it most certainly isn't true that everyone does, or even that they should.

Oh finally someone reasonably worded my argument! i shall remember this for the next time someone pulls "this is not goodoldgames.com but drmfreegames.com" card, thank you
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