Well I respect you for being consistent in your stance.

Oh here you go again, you never justified your insane personal attacks on me the last time and now you're going with a softer yet still aggressive post.

The point is DRM is irrelevant. I don't concern myself with irrelevant shit, that's just me. I remember reading a book about silly laws in the US that talked about not leaning on buildings after 2PM and insane things like that which no one pays attention to. Hell, last time I checked oral sex was illegal in half the states in the US, but no one cares... no one sits there and goes "sorry honey, it's illegal in Alabama."

DRM is irrelevant, it does not work. It takes me 5 seconds to circumvent it if I need to. I don't get worked up about it to the point of refusing to play pretty much any video games because there is nothing to get worked up about. If they ever invent a DRM system that works, that matters one little bit, I will boycott it.

The 90s, I didn't have access to the internet and none of those stores were particularly accessible to me. We didn't have any of those places in my neighborhood at that time. We still don't, but I've got the ability to look online before I plunk down for bus fare to go browse. I think right now the only places I've got that I can physically go get games is Office Depot and I think Barnes and Noble might have some.

But back then it was a fairly lengthy drive if I wanted to go to a store, the only places I can recall back then were dedicated computer shops, which weren't that common. I think the only one that I knew of at that point that had a decent supply was Ballard Computer and they were at least a half hour drive away.

It got a lot easier in the late 90s when I had some sort of decent internet connection, but back then it was a real challenge and they wanted you to pay for everything, regardless of whether or not it was a demo.

Like I said, it was a completely different situation.

I have yet to find a way to buy a game though steam and then remove the requirements for it. Every other form is easy, steam is the killer for me since i refuse to use torrents.

Like one other poster said, im going to console this... and sadly i'll be buying it a year from now when its sub $20 :(

I would have happily paid $80-100 for a pc copy with ANY other from of DRM besides steam.

Fixed exes exist for Steamworks games, you just have to install through Steam first obviously. It does suck to have to torrent the whole damn game just to get a DRM-free installer though, which I know is what you meant.

Hummnn . . . let me look . . . noooo, I don't have that on me . . . guess you will have to keep the ol necromancer . . . . =)

I would have bought it on release day had it not had Steam as well. Well, had it not had any form of activation, I should say. I'm not paying for another console shooter, even if it does come out on XBox 360 (which I have no idea if it is or not).

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Well with steams archive software works alright, and i could easily make a DL-DVD burn of the game with the fixed EXE. i guess i should take a better look for those, thank you. If i can find one then hell yeah I'll support the duke one more time.

The original 3D Realms demos were played only on the 360. Jayce hall show was 100% on the Xbox and so were all the other live demos they ever did with DNF.

Hell, I'd still hit it!

I never pre-order games, unless there's some spectacular deal going oin (and I mean spectacular, like getting a game basically for free if you trade in two of your older games - sometimes worth less than half the price of a new one combined). I'm certainly looking forward to getting the game, because it's Duke Nukem 3D 2 basically, but I'm not sure if I'll buy it on release day unless I find it cheap. I don't buy full-price downloadable games, I usually wait for a sale.

Which kinda means I like Steamworks, because most games will cost less at retail or it'll be easier to find it on sale at retail.

I didn't know about that part (I didn't visit their PAX booth, most people thought it was a joke and when it became apparent it was not the line was pretty long), regardless, I hate dual analog sticks for shooters. I wonder how I was ever so good at Golden Eye back in the day I find them almost unplayable now. If it's shooter or RTS I want a mouse, I've made very few exceptions and have regretted a few of the ones I have made. I know they can still be fun for people but they suck for me. And why would I want to suck the fun out of a game when it's not the game's fault, but the lousy, damned control scheme?

I pre-ordered the Balls of Steel edition.

I don't give a flying crap if it is Steamworks or not. In fact, im seriously considering ordering a few more copies so i can gift to friends.

Maybe in the US it is silly, here its not.

well steamworks is at least better than a GFWL game bulletstorm is up for pre purchase but look what i get " Oops, sorry!
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now at least i have a chance of buying duke in the future