d00d, this is GoG, you're doing it wrong. Not only must you QQ about Steam here but you must also take your crusade to every corner of the internet and shout it on every game-related forum you can find! If you don't then GABE WILL DESTROY US ALL!

Duke did just fine in the pre-DRM era, I don't see any reason why he'd do worse now than back then. Sure it's easier to download large files than it was back then, but it's also easier to buy games legitimately now than it was back then.
I've got him in a cell in my evil fortress.

And I'll free him for....


One hundred beeeellleooon dollars.

Well that's exactly how I understood it ;) .

How so ? Borderlands, a Gearbox games for that matters, used a simple one time activation (at every install) with unlimited activation, no client to install, no having your game "forever" linked to a single account (with all the risks that that include), no need to be online until you reinstall the game (or that you change something significant on your hardware), no region restriction, still definitely a DRM but as far as DRM goes seems better than Steam to me.

So you want control of both Facebook and Zynga? ;)
Until they started releasing the DLC for Boarderlands. Which they decided to tack on activation limits and what not. :(

When you travel around in a adventurer party like i did once a long time ago,you learn a few things like how to break in and out of jail.

Don't have any interest in the game in the thread title.When and threw my 2 evil cents in.Games are fun and all,you don't need them to live like food, if you're part of the living.

This is the most agreeable statement in this thread so far.

I'm okay with this.

And this is why I will no longer consider buying DNF (unless sold on GamersGate):

Pre-Purchase Mafia II http://store.steampowered.com/app/50130/?cc=jp

Really, if they can't even be arsed to release Mafia 2 but are all to happy to keep taking money for it, there's no fucking way I will touch DNF which is bound to get the same treatment.

Seems like just about every major release uses Steam. Civ 5, Fallout Las Vegas,Total War Shogun 2...the list goes on. Like it or not, most major games are going to use Steam.

Yeah, that's about what I thought, sigh, thought I would have an excuse to soup up my rig for that one.

Yup x2

Steam just means it will automatically patch and multiplayer games will be effortless to find.

That sounds good to me.

I'm holding out on deciding to buy it until I learn more about the only thing that matters... Will the multiplayer rock? If it does, I'm in on day one... If not, I can wait till it's half price or better.

And in regards to Steam, not a single one of those has had a reliable release in my region.

Civ. 5 - available for pre-order, removed from Steam on release.
FNV - Removed from pre-order, re-added as pre-order, removed from pre-order, re-added as pre-order to the point that no one here knew it it would get a release at all.
Shogun 2 not even possible to buy directly (but can be bought from competing service)

And so on. End result, Steamworks = unreliable gaming with possible hidden IP lockouts and no point buying for a long time.

Can't wait for someone to come up with a DRM scheme far more tempting to publishers than this one so it finally dies the horrible death it deserves.

For me, the fact that a game uses Steam means that I won't pay as much as I might otherwise. I don't think I'd ever buy a game over $10 on Steam, but I have bought several titles during their sales.

Of course, I'm in the US and it seems like Steam is far less reliable and user friendly elsewhere...

As much as I like Steam, I have to say, that is pretty fucking awful, and I'm sorry. :( Did FNV get released?

Eventually yes. Which was surprising considering that most of Bethesda titles have not been available to us at one point or another. The current standing for Bethesda is as follows:

Bethesda pack: The product description as shown on the Japan store reads: Includes 3 items: Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrorwind Game of the Year Edition, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Game of the year Edition Deluxe. (Price: $69.99)

In reality, it contains: Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition and The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Game of the Year Edition.

And the publisher catalog page still lists both of the Oblivion products, but neither can be purchased.

Fallout 3 (non GOTY) version is also no longer sold in our region. All of these games used to be available =/

So I expect if a FNV GOTY edition ever comes out, FNV will be removed. Seems we're not allowed to buy the cheaper alternatives anymore. But at least the pricing isn't as bad as that of Impulse (who want $80+ for some of those games!)

Anyhow, I digress as those aren't Steamworks titles. But if we were talking specifically of Steamworks titles, then the majority of them are not available for purchase directly from Steam. And some, when purchased retail (import) like MW2 and Mafia 2 have a hidden IP block on them which is not mentioned on the packaging anywhere =/.