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yyahoo: I think you're oversimplifying things and way overstating the perception of value that game developers and publishers have regarding their products. It's the reason why publishers and devs fail and get bought out regularly. They truly don't understand their product's value and subsequently don't make a good profit and fail. I don't know if that will be the case with Keane or not, but believing that you can "take it to the bank" that because a game price is steady for a long period of time that it is selling at the right level for properly optimized profit is just not realistic.
We don't have the demographics to know either way so any opinion is rampant speculation. With the Jack Keane 2 showing up in the Insomnia sale situation however, the game was just out of place in what people expected out of the sale, it was a reflection of perhaps a poor choice of a game to put in the rotation of that particular type of sale, or a reflection that the sale itself was not well thought out for problem scenarios like a game showing up to stall the sale. I'm just saying that neither of these things is a reflection of how fun the game is to actually play, nor how many people like or dislike the actual game. Rather, people's distaste for the game on GOG due to the Insomnia sale is purely emotional reaction to a sale getting stonewalled by a single game which happens to have a higher than average price tag primarily because it is a newer game more than anything. In theory they could have had ArmA 3 in the sale if that game was available on GOG, and say.. regular price is $40 hypothetically and they put it on sale for $15 lets say and offer 200 copies. I would bet dollars to donuts that the game would stick around for hours trying to sell, and that any game more than $10 will do the same, even if it is GOTY, simply because its price point is higher and less people buy higher priced games than people who buy lower priced games, even if the higher priced game is the best thing in the universe. Perhaps a better example might be The WItcher 3, which is one of the most highly anticipated games of 2014 at this point. If that was out and in an Insomnia sale for $15 alongside 60 other games all in the $1.49 to $5 range, I would bet that 200-500 copies of that would take all day to sell even if it was on every person's wishlist. ;o)

This is all just speculation, nobody has the actual information, but I think it is reasonable speculation at least. Having said that, I don't think I'd put Jack in the same class of game as ArmA or The Witcher series either, but those 2 series are immensely popular big sellers and I think they'd have slowed the sale down too. We can't know unless GOG does a repeat and tests my theory. ;)
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yyahoo: I think you're oversimplifying things and way overstating the perception of value that game developers and publishers have regarding their products. It's the reason why publishers and devs fail and get bought out regularly. They truly don't understand their product's value and subsequently don't make a good profit and fail. I don't know if that will be the case with Keane or not, but believing that you can "take it to the bank" that because a game price is steady for a long period of time that it is selling at the right level for properly optimized profit is just not realistic.
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skeletonbow: We don't have the demographics to know either way so any opinion is rampant speculation. With the Jack Keane 2 showing up in the Insomnia sale situation however, the game was just out of place in what people expected out of the sale, it was a reflection of perhaps a poor choice of a game to put in the rotation of that particular type of sale, or a reflection that the sale itself was not well thought out for problem scenarios like a game showing up to stall the sale. I'm just saying that neither of these things is a reflection of how fun the game is to actually play, nor how many people like or dislike the actual game. Rather, people's distaste for the game on GOG due to the Insomnia sale is purely emotional reaction to a sale getting stonewalled by a single game which happens to have a higher than average price tag primarily because it is a newer game more than anything. In theory they could have had ArmA 3 in the sale if that game was available on GOG, and say.. regular price is $40 hypothetically and they put it on sale for $15 lets say and offer 200 copies. I would bet dollars to donuts that the game would stick around for hours trying to sell, and that any game more than $10 will do the same, even if it is GOTY, simply because its price point is higher and less people buy higher priced games than people who buy lower priced games, even if the higher priced game is the best thing in the universe. Perhaps a better example might be The WItcher 3, which is one of the most highly anticipated games of 2014 at this point. If that was out and in an Insomnia sale for $15 alongside 60 other games all in the $1.49 to $5 range, I would bet that 200-500 copies of that would take all day to sell even if it was on every person's wishlist. ;o)

This is all just speculation, nobody has the actual information, but I think it is reasonable speculation at least. Having said that, I don't think I'd put Jack in the same class of game as ArmA or The Witcher series either, but those 2 series are immensely popular big sellers and I think they'd have slowed the sale down too. We can't know unless GOG does a repeat and tests my theory. ;)
I'm not quite sure what we're discussing anymore. It sounds like you're agreeing with me that Keane 2 was one of the few problems with the Insomnia sale.
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yyahoo: I'm not quite sure what we're discussing anymore. It sounds like you're agreeing with me that Keane 2 was one of the few problems with the Insomnia sale.
Yes, I'd definitely agree with that, but I don't think it had anything to do with the game itself, but rather with the sale being poorly planned out. Keane would have made more sense on sale as a separate standalone sale item. But then again it was good for some laughs too, and a new GOG meme. :)
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yyahoo: I'm not quite sure what we're discussing anymore. It sounds like you're agreeing with me that Keane 2 was one of the few problems with the Insomnia sale.
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skeletonbow: Yes, I'd definitely agree with that, but I don't think it had anything to do with the game itself, but rather with the sale being poorly planned out. Keane would have made more sense on sale as a separate standalone sale item. But then again it was good for some laughs too, and a new GOG meme. :)
I guess, but I don't think Insomnia was as poorly planned as Time Machine. Every sale adding 3 seconds to a counter starting at 1 hour and 30 minutes? That's as much a recipe for disaster as Keane in the Insomnia sale, maybe more considering the potential for added time is unlimited.

If there weren't all of those repeats and there was no Keane 2, Insomnia would have been a near perfect event.

I only bailed on Insomnia about halfway through the second round. At this point, I've nearly lost all interest in Time Machine. It's just too slow/not enough happening.
I'm really really crossing my fingers in hopes that Vampire: The Masquerade and Gothic will be part of this sale! I'm already so glad that Might and Magic 1-6 was part of it, so let's hope the lightning strikes two more times!

But holy cow, at the rate at which the last few sales have been extended, will we ever reach the end of the 90's before midnight PST??
So no-one actually said - SimCity 2000 for 1989 then?
(Which is a cheat and a lie because the ORIGINAL top down Sim City was 1989, Sim City 2000 was 1995 - wouldn't be so bad if the original was a bonus extra but its not...
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Fever_Discordia: So no-one actually said - SimCity 2000 for 1989 then?
(Which is a cheat and a lie because the ORIGINAL top down Sim City was 1989, Sim City 2000 was 1995 - wouldn't be so bad if the original was a bonus extra but its not...
I was thinking about that too, but I can see why they chose that - the original SimCity helped to define the Simulation genre, and GOG happens to be lacking the original title in their catalogue. One could argue there were other games that defined the Sim genre, but SimCity certainly was far more influencial on the industry.

I'd say it's an acceptable substitution given the circumstances. If a purist demands the '89 version, chances are they already have it somewhere.

What I'm wondering is what 1989 titles got shafted by this sequel stealing their rightful spot, and what 1995 game would justify giving SC2K this spot.
Post edited January 28, 2014 by Cornflakes_
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Fever_Discordia: So no-one actually said - SimCity 2000 for 1989 then?
(Which is a cheat and a lie because the ORIGINAL top down Sim City was 1989, Sim City 2000 was 1995 - wouldn't be so bad if the original was a bonus extra but its not...
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Cornflakes_: I was thinking about that too, but I can see why they chose that - the original SimCity helped to define the Simulation genre, and GOG happens to be lacking the original title in their catalogue. One could argue there were other games that defined the Sim genre, but SimCity certainly was far more influencial on the industry.

I'd say it's an acceptable substitution given the circumstances. If a purist demands the '89 version, chances are they already have it somewhere.

What I'm wondering is what 1989 titles got shafted by this sequel stealing their rightful spot, and what 1995 game would justify giving SC2K this spot.
Yeah, I was thinking they were either really stuck for a '98 game and/or had something else cool lined up for 1995 lined up too
Sadly you can't manipulate the catalog to just give you those kinds of lists - maybe over on the Gogwiki? Haven't tried
However I DID find that the first Wing Commander was 1990 so that's my prediction for what's next!
Post edited January 28, 2014 by Fever_Discordia
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Cornflakes_: What I'm wondering is what 1989 titles got shafted by this sequel stealing their rightful spot, and what 1995 game would justify giving SC2K this spot.
1989: Populous or Quest for Glory
1995: Descent, Phantasmagoria, Heroes of M&M 1, Wing Commander IV
Just hit the 2 hour mark on the nose. This one may go 3.5 hours or even 4.
Thanks to the people documenting this. If there are any in it I don't already own (not so far) I'll be buying them, whether or not I get them while they are on sale. Seeing the time they are actually up is a bonus too.
The problem with this sale is I already own all these really old games :)

Move it along already!

1990 is probably Wing Commander. 1991 is tougher to guess, not a lot of great options. That was the year of Civ, which isn't on GOG. Maybe Another World 20th anniversary edition (the original was 1991). 1992 Ultima VII or Underworld, or Alone in the Dark. 1993 probably Myst, but could also be Master of Orion, 7th Guest, Syndicate, Gabriel Knight, or Return to Zork.
Post edited January 28, 2014 by Tooms
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Tooms: The problem with this sale is I already own all these really old games :)
Same here. It's strange how disappointed I can feel at not getting to spend money!
I wish they'd just put all these games up for sale like any normal kind of sale, since I'll probably end up being asleep during the great 90s sales. I get that this is a different type of sale entirely, but I'm not a fan of staring at Sim City for five days while people keep upvoting it.
I wonder what's coming up for the 1990's?