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General discussionWill GOG be getting Jonathan "BRAID" Blow's THE WITNESS?(200 posts)(200 posts)
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Posted January 20, 2016
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amok: rejected for being to niche
He's probably going to give Mr. Gog a "Blow" job.
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Barry_Woodward: It's insane that Jonathan "Freaking" Blow wants to release his games here and something can't be worked out. Come on, GOG, don't try to wheel and deal him, just make it happen!
I don't want him here if those posts in the other thread are accurate reproductions of things he's said. We already have at least one massively over-sized ego here, we don't need any more.
Post edited January 20, 2016 by hedwards
Posted January 20, 2016
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Barry_Woodward: It's insane that Jonathan "Freaking" Blow wants to release his games here and something can't be worked out. Come on, GOG, don't try to wheel and deal him, just make it happen!
No. Fuck him. GOG shouldn't blow Blow.

Braid is a mediocre overhyped platformer. The Witness, judging by that arse technica article, is Douchebag Myst ("game design as therapy", what the fuck). Yes, I understand that, having invested time and cash into hyping the shit out of it, he approaches every distribution platform with a take-it-or-leave-it attitude. He doesn't need GOG's front page.

But GOG's frontpage, likewise, doesn't need him. As a humanist, I'd rather see a title whose success or failure might make or break a company. As a consumer, I'd rather see a (good) game I haven't heard of. And as a customer, I'd rather GOG not bend over and accept bad terms from an e-celebrity.
Posted January 20, 2016
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SCPM: Doesn't seem like The Witness will be coming here:
"They aren't bad compared to XBLA's contracts in the 2010-ish era, but they are just written presuming that the developer is desperate and really wants to be on GoG -- which for successful developers is not the case. The general tactic of any game publisher is that they offer you a contract full of stuff you have to argue with them for a long time to take out -- IF you even have the bargaining power to push them, which most indies don't. At this point my tactic is to go meta and say look, fuck you, this process is insulting and wastes my time, you know which terms I am going to argue about, so just change those before you send me anything. I only bother arguing with the few big channels that I really need to be on. The thing about this tactic is it usually ends the conversation -- I think it tends to be too weird for publisher peoples' egos to actually deal with a statement like that ... so then they just don't get the game. It is fine though, we will ensure there is a DRM-free download somewhere."
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=192576977&postcount=11277
Wow, for a man claiming to have a straight-to-the-point approach, he uses a lot of words, but not much information. Why complain openly about the contract's terms if he can't give any example?
Posted January 20, 2016
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Dalswyn: Wow, for a man claiming to have a straight-to-the-point approach, he uses a lot of words, but not much information. Why complain openly about the contract's terms if he can't give any example?
I think I read once that GOG has some kind of NDA incorporated into their contracts or something like that.
Posted January 20, 2016
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Starmaker: But GOG's frontpage, likewise, doesn't need him. As a humanist, I'd rather see a title whose success or failure might make or break a company. As a consumer, I'd rather see a (good) game I haven't heard of. And as a customer, I'd rather GOG not bend over and accept bad terms from an e-celebrity.
I agree. If we're talking about an indie that's likely to go out of business and has a good game, that's the sort of thing I'd like to see on the front page. I don't want overhyped crap and I don't want this shop to be filled with charity cases because of something that the developer did years ago.

Likewise, if I buy a game here I want to know that it's a good game or at least historically significant even if it's not particularly good.
Posted January 20, 2016
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Starmaker: And as a customer, I'd rather GOG not bend over and accept bad terms from an e-celebrity.
As a customer, I'd rather have his games available here. Obviously GOG shouldn't accept "bad" terms, but there's no indication he was demanding "bad" terms. If their negotiating tactics are alienating and insulting to developers, they might want to reconsider their approach.
Post edited January 20, 2016 by Barry_Woodward
Posted January 20, 2016
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Barry_Woodward: It's insane that Jonathan "Freaking" Blow wants to release his games here and something can't be worked out. Come on, GOG, don't try to wheel and deal him, just make it happen!
You seem terribly preocupied with Mr. Blow and his business. I'm sure both he and GOG will survive without one another.
Posted January 20, 2016
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Starmaker: And as a customer, I'd rather GOG not bend over and accept bad terms from an e-celebrity.
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Barry_Woodward: As a customer, I'd rather have the game available here. Obviously GOG shouldn't accept bad terms, but if they're negotiating tactics are alienating and insulting to developers, they might want to reconsider their approach.
Are they though. Gog has more games than they can presently release as it is. The only people accusing GOG of alienating them are people who have a reputation for being asshats.

I'd definitely take any reports of what's going on in the various negotiations with a grain of salt. They're highly unlikely to represent most of the negotiations or even be in good faith.
Posted January 20, 2016
Wow.
So many words and opinions about an issue noone knows nothing about.
And judging games not out yet on such hash terms.

This is basically a developer faboys vs gog fanboys futile superfight. But it is somehow funny how some people consider Blow to be an asshole for his blunt comments... and then you read through this forum.

Braid is a great little game, so I rather have his games here than not. But luckily there'll be a drm-free version of The Witness anyway.
Post edited January 20, 2016 by rgnrk
Posted January 20, 2016
The game cost €36.99??? I think Mr. Blow is overestimating his standing in the game's community. I would like to play his new game, but certainly not at that price point (especially not after I saw the trailer).
Posted January 20, 2016
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PaterAlf: The game cost €36.99??? I think Mr. Blow is overestimating his standing in the game's community. I would like to play his new game, but certainly not at that price point (especially not after I saw the trailer).
Maybe this is the reason why is it expensive .

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/01/14/meet-the-voice-actors-of-the-witness/
Posted January 20, 2016
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PaterAlf: The game cost €36.99??? I think Mr. Blow is overestimating his standing in the game's community. I would like to play his new game, but certainly not at that price point (especially not after I saw the trailer).
This made me do a double take. So I went to check and sure enough, $39.99 on steam.

Braid was a good game, but I think the success went to Mr. Blow's head a bit.
Posted January 20, 2016
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rgnrk: But it is somehow funny how some people consider Blow to be an asshole for his blunt comments... and then you read through this forum.
Not sure how people don't notice a difference, but forum users aren't trying to sell you a game for forty bucks.

My public relations firm fired me years ago, and I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone, so I just stopped giving a shit what people think about me. :)

But I'd be happy to change my tune for $40 a pop, something Mr. Blow seems unwilling or unable to do.

I live my life on 3 simple principles. Right wingers suck. Advertising sucks. And primadonnas suck.
Post edited January 20, 2016 by budejovice
Posted January 20, 2016
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budejovice: I live my life on 3 simple principles. Right wingers suck. Advertising sucks. And primadonnas suck.
I can streamline that decision matrix for you, if you like.

Say, forty bucks?
Posted January 20, 2016
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Dalswyn: Wow, for a man claiming to have a straight-to-the-point approach, he uses a lot of words, but not much information. Why complain openly about the contract's terms if he can't give any example?
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Smannesman: I think I read once that GOG has some kind of NDA incorporated into their contracts or something like that.
But then, wouldn't most publishers (and countless businesses as well) have those?
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