Dude, thanks for the internet police and I'll take your opinion of my opinion to heart. Because you matter. Your opinion of other people's opinion matters. You are special and you don't have to present any argument to support your case, just telling the truth is enough.

This idiot shills for steam all the time. All the time. It's like a nervous tick. I don't care whether or not people use steam, but the spamming is quite over the top for this amok shill. Corporate allegiance is cool and all, but please. Spare me the indignation.

Judging by all the "Why is game X not on gog"-threads and the fact that "too niche" has become a full fledged meme by now, things seem to have gotten a lot worse.

No, Barry just won't shut up about it. He was stark raving mad when he showed up here, (I can't be the only one who remembers the chemtrails thing) and he hasn't mellowed with age. It's confirmation bias - you see a whole lot more of it, but it's no more of a problem than it was before you noticed it. That's sort of the point of stumping for a cause, so he's certainly getting what he wants, even if he does come across sometimes like a Loebner Prize runner-up.

Also - gOg is not the only store Disney sells on... If we take Blow on his word, gOg uses a bit old fashioned contract. Considering big players like Disney, who is to say they do not have a standard contract they use for all retailers? So it is gOg who have to accept Disney's contract, not the other way around.

Both you and Mr. Starker don't get it.

Let's put it this way. Did Disney come here with DRM? Did GoG completely change the way they run their business? If not, then GoG's standard "rules" aka contract is still in force.

What's really stupid here is both of you are arguing how complex this all is when the reality is there is a product, GoG sells it and the main issue is the price and who to send the checks to. I saw an article talking about how Steam adds an average of 8 games a day; 55 a week. You can't tell me they have that many lawyers floating around all these conversations. And you can't tell me they don't have a standard contract to accept when they sell games from virtually every major publisher.

Funny how you seem to want to believe some Indie developer's Tweet about GoG's contracts when GoG already has done business with so many major publishers...I don't see them complaining about the contract being antiquated and they should know better than Mr. Blowhard. I think there are a few too many people on this forum that want to play armchair quarterback with GoG's business and seem to get joy out of complaining over it on these forums. Why does everything have to be about what GoG is supposedly doing wrong these days...

Depending on how the conversation between GOG and Blow went (and not having the whole picture makes any judgment from outsiders useless), the dev's attitude could be appropriately candid or a huge-ego showcase, or another set of different things altogether (not so sure about the public venting in general though):

"At this point my tactic is to go meta and say look, fuck you, this process is insulting and wastes my time, you know which terms I am going to argue about, so just change those before you send me anything. I only bother arguing with the few big channels that I really *need* to be on.

The thing about this tactic is it usually ends the conversation -- I think it tends to be too weird for publisher peoples' egos to actually deal with a statement like that ... so then they just don't get the game."

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Everyone who's anyone has a standard contract.

I worked for the govt, I wrote them myself. If a company didn't accept, we told them to GTFO. Usually, we'd order a service, and the company would send us their contract, and I'd mail them my version and write back, "No, you sign THIS or ELSE." Or we'd set up an auction: accept the contract to make a bid. Then, at conclusion, most of them would typically use their own numbering scheme, and, again, I would change the # to one of ours and dare them to change it back.

Now, of course Blow too has a lawyer who's written up a contract for him and convinced him that it's the one true way to distribute games and everyone who suggests changes is out to scam him. That's what lawyers do. Blow would be an idiot if he went forward with a contract which wasn't, in his opinion, the bestest evar, not to mention if he didn't have a contract at all.
(And people, if you're thinking of distributing your game, even for free, even one you worked on all alone -- the person-hour cost of development is not zero, so unless you don't value yourself at all, hire a fucking lawyer.)

I'm no fan of Blow (Braid is mediocre, The Witness couldn't possibly be better than DROD 5, and his worshipers make me actively resent him) but I don't think he's behaving unprofessionally. People are allowed to post their impressions. People are also allowed to decline deals they don't like. If the local censorship bureau tried to hire me to e.g. bounty-hunt torrent uploaders, you bet I'd disclose the shit out of it, and possibly mail them a butt plug.

What Blow doesn't get is that, in companies, people who are tasked with mailing out proposals can't decide shit. I work for a law firm now and I had to pay for web hosting recently. The CEO noticed the payment details (like, account number) had changed and made me renegotiate the contract. Doing otherwise would've been "betraying the company's interests". Yes, this is absolutely batshit. The correct procedure is that they send us a notice (like they did!) and we pay them and that's it. Because I'm a programmer with custserv experience, I said exactly that to their custserv, as my conscience directed me. But there wasn't a way for me to push the payment through without causing them unprofessional PITA in some way.
Yes, negotiating a contract is way more boring than developing the game. Think [whatever] is more pain than it'd bring in in revenue and associated benefits? The rational decision is to not do it. Honestly, I wish people appreciated their time more. (If only I could convince the kids to stop clicking on ads for phone credit.)

No, the reason we're having this thread bumped is that certain people just wouldn't stop stirring up drama. Imagine someone follows you around and keeps saying, "Hey, do you know Jack called you an asshole? It's true, I have screenshots! No, seriously, in 1986, Jack posted 'Bob is an asshole' on Usenet. How does it make you feel? Do you agree you're an asshole? Do you think Jack is an asshole? Should I tell him you said that? Defaults to yes." Fuck this noise. Like the game? Go buy it. Want it DRM-free but you're in a third-world country? Go buy it on Steam and download the DRM-free installer from a third party. Don't like the game and hate the hype? Start a thræd about crap criticism and cliquism is gaming media. This thread is pointless.

And what neither you nor I know, and where you also just make assumptions, is what is on those contract. Each developer may have individual contrast, and there may be different contracts for large companies and small indies, (which to me just makes much more sense...) You do not know if this is the case or not, as with the rest of us you are only guessing. You do not know this, I do not know this. Also take in account that many indie developer have the business sense of a slug, and are just happy a store is willing to take on their game...
Well...I must say I agree with you... I bow out if this now.

(Also, if you want the game DRM free - buy it on Humble, you do not need to involve Steam and third party whatever :))

Get over it. Based on my life experience, I'm telling you that a separate standard contract just for "little guys" is extremely unlikely. Just claiming "it might be different" with no evidence or sense or experience is becoming redundant and silly on your part.

I've never seen the term dude used in ways of endearment on the internet before. Apologies.

Does anyone here know the best Screen Video recorders to capture Gameplay with audio?

If you have nVidia GeForce GTX class GPUs 900, 700, 600, 900M, 800M, 700M, select 600M Series then ShadowPlay
See System Requirements

LOL Barry, you're faster than me! (And SCPM faster than both of us).


Thanks to GoG, Jonathan Blow and anyone involved in bringing them here.