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Posted February 27, 2017
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Erpy: Seeing that this is a privately owned forum, the moderation staff ALREADY has all the power to remove what they don't like. It's a popular myth among nettizens that the simple act of visiting or posting on a forum makes them entitled to "hold those in the position of power accountable". That's not how it works. Forum owners generally want to make an effort to listen to forum members as a matter of fairness, but in the end, they're not accountable to them.

If the GOG management determine that permitting homophobic rants on their community forums is in their best interests, there's little any member can do against it except make a case that they're wrong about it in an attempt to change their minds.

Likewise if the GOG management determine that keeping homophobic rants out of their community forums is in their best interests, they can delete those posts without the obligation to justify that decision to the members.

The accountability you talk about is a mirage.
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fables22: Yes. First off, posting on the forum should not be regarded as a right - it's more of a privilege. Secondly, yes, we set the rules. We could even go as far as saying that we can remove whatever we feel is inappropriate, even if that's massively subjective.
I know you can, and I believe you should be able to do it; as its your site and you're the one paying to keep it up. It doesn't change the fact that the rule is vague and in-concise. I was saying that he is accepting what any serious thought would point out to be a bad and ultimately limiting rule in the name of purging the phobias and isms from the earth.
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: Because the banning system has changed.
Aha! Curiouser and curiouser. I'll have to pay a bit more attention then to not repeat outdated information.
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: Yes. First off, posting on the forum should not be regarded as a right - it's more of a privilege. Secondly, yes, we set the rules. We could even go as far as saying that we can remove whatever we feel is inappropriate, even if that's massively subjective.
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Shadowstalker16: I know you can, and I believe you should be able to do it; as its your site and you're the one paying to keep it up. It doesn't change the fact that the rule is vague and in-concise. I was saying that he is accepting what any serious thought would point out to be a bad and ultimately limiting rule in the name of purging the phobias and isms from the earth.
The rule is only as (in)concise as it's application. The forum rules as they stand right now are not especially explicit, which is one of the reasons they're getting an overhaul. Hopefully the new set will clear most of this up. Although as I've concluded through many a discussion with the community, no rules will ever be covering a 100% of what's bannable and/or be in accordance with absolutely everyone's personal beliefs.
Posted February 27, 2017
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micktiegs_8: Sorry to add to the off-topic, but the thing that kinda bothers me the most is that if someone trolls the forum (among other things) bad enough, then GOG can permanently ban them from the website. How does said individual buy games here, then? I mean... trolls still buy games don't they? :p
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fables22: What's the source of this? Because the banning system has changed.
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212182929-What-are-the-house-rules-Code-of-Conduct-for-posting-on-the-website

Remember that the ability to post on the website is a privilege and not a right. If a user is found ignoring or repeatedly violating the rules stated above and/or the website's Terms of Use, depending upon severity, he/she will lose an adequate amount of reputation points, and:
- be given a warning from a moderator or GOG.com employee, or
- be temporary banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website for a “cooldown period”, or
- be permanently banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website.

edit: I see what you said above. Well, that's what I was referring to anyways :)
Post edited February 27, 2017 by micktiegs_8
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: Yes. First off, posting on the forum should not be regarded as a right - it's more of a privilege.
What does that mean?
Downreppers will finally lose theirs bots (or will have to buy games to continue theirs notorious activity)?
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: What's the source of this? Because the banning system has changed.
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micktiegs_8: https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212182929-What-are-the-house-rules-Code-of-Conduct-for-posting-on-the-website

Remember that the ability to post on the website is a privilege and not a right. If a user is found ignoring or repeatedly violating the rules stated above and/or the website's Terms of Use, depending upon severity, he/she will lose an adequate amount of reputation points, and:
- be given a warning from a moderator or GOG.com employee, or
- be temporary banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website for a “cooldown period”, or
- be permanently banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website.

edit: I see what you said above. Well, that's what I was referring to anyways :)
Right, that was a misunderstanding on my part, I guess - I read it as: a ban is a ban from accessing the website altogether, not only from the forum - which was the commonly believed around the forum.

So yes, that still stands - but it's the hierarchy of the banning system that is the most important.
Posted February 27, 2017
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Shadowstalker16: I know you can, and I believe you should be able to do it; as its your site and you're the one paying to keep it up. It doesn't change the fact that the rule is vague and in-concise. I was saying that he is accepting what any serious thought would point out to be a bad and ultimately limiting rule in the name of purging the phobias and isms from the earth.
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fables22: The rule is only as (in)concise as it's application. The forum rules as they stand right now are not especially explicit, which is one of the reasons they're getting an overhaul. Hopefully the new set will clear most of this up. Although as I've concluded through many a discussion with the community, no rules will ever be covering a 100% of what's bannable and/or be in accordance with absolutely everyone's personal beliefs.
I was talking about the Double Fine forum rule Vania talked about. But yeah, nothing will be 100% precise. But that particular one was atrocious. In a legal but immoral way.

As you said more depends on how cleanly it is followed and enforced as well. From my experience, having many and extensive rules that can't be enforced easily is worse than having a few that are readily enforced, since the former would bring up questions of ''what about that time XXX said YYY'' when some action does need to be taken.
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: Yes. First off, posting on the forum should not be regarded as a right - it's more of a privilege.
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vsr: What does that mean?
Downreppers will finally lose theirs bots (or will have to buy games to continue theirs notorious activity)?
No, that's not what it means. That means that being allowed to post on the forums is not your right if you're a GOG user. If you're a GOG user and adhere to the forum rules, you'll have the privilege to interact with other users on the forums. Downrepping is a whole other issue, mostly covered within the spamming rules.
Posted February 27, 2017
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fables22: Because the banning system has changed.
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JMich: Aha! Curiouser and curiouser. I'll have to pay a bit more attention then to not repeat outdated information.
That would of course be somewhat easier if GOG actually provided the updated information. Sadly, historically speaking at least, communication is not a strong suit of GOG's.
Posted February 27, 2017
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Post edited February 27, 2017 by Fairfox
Posted February 27, 2017
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JMich: Aha! Curiouser and curiouser. I'll have to pay a bit more attention then to not repeat outdated information.
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Wishbone: That would of course be somewhat easier if GOG actually provided the updated information. Sadly, historically speaking at least, communication is not a strong suit of GOG's.
In all honesty, while I do agree that knowing how banning is executed and what offences are going to be affected by what bans is important for the users, I don't believe that knowing how it works internally is detrimental to people's behaviour on the forum. In other words, if you adhere to the forum rules or react positively should you slip up and receive a warning, why is it dealbreaking for you to know whether we would ever ban someone from accessing their library or from buying games?


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Fairfox: Seems liek this has gone ker-razy off-topic an' all should be in teh other threadie. Ho hum, Imma contribute to taht, sorryksorry.

Mah quick, dirty, overall impressions of GOGie's general forums are: It's a safe place to be called retarded, told homophobia is a perversion, held to a weird standard because Imma not male, told I should be raped, learnin' (in teh verrr loosest sense) all kinds of right(-right)-wing political paranoia, seein' moar xenophobic an' religious fervor thaaan I cans shake a stick at, an' wadin' thru trolls an' scammers taaaht don't even care (an' in teh latter case ruined giveaways). Teh stick? It's brown an' sticky. Odd thang to focus on... *shifty eyes*

Then somethang, somethang gamies waaai down teh list. An' humor; nevah forget teh humor. Not my humor :/

Lordy-Lord help teh passerbys an' lurkers.
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Post edited February 27, 2017 by fables22
Posted February 27, 2017
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Fairfox: Mah quick, dirty, overall impressions of GOGie's general forums are: It's a safe place to be called retarded, told homophobia is a perversion, held to a weird standard because Imma not male, told I should be raped, learnin' (in teh verrr loosest sense) all kinds of right(-right)-wing political paranoia, seein' moar xenophobic an' religious fervor thaaan I cans shake a stick at, an' wadin' thru trolls an' scammers taaaht don't even care (an' in teh latter case ruined giveaways). Teh stick? It's brown an' sticky. Odd thang to focus on... *shifty eyes*
So much wisdom, so difficult to digest. :)

I do however think that homophilia, not homophobia, is sadly and incorrectly called a perversion on this forum by some. Might want to make a quick correction there. Homophobia, of course, isn't a "perversion" as well. It's just a massively embarrassing and backwards way of thinking.
Posted February 27, 2017
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So how is eveyrone doing tod.....

Whoops, never mind, I'll be leaving.
Posted February 27, 2017
This new forum rules seems like an anti-Alaric measures (3 months are almost passed).
All this time GOG couldn't care less about forum. And now they introduce rules on a mostly anarchic forum (the last thing people were asking, imo).

No longer "Ticking...", i guess? ;D
Posted February 27, 2017
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Wishbone: That would of course be somewhat easier if GOG actually provided the updated information.
The information I had from forum interaction was that GOG can (and occasionally does) ban people from posting on the forum, while leaving them able to use the store and/or the PM system. If said technical side of the bans had changed, I would like to know of it so I don't spread outdated information.
What can cause said ban is (for me) irrelevant, since the ToS say that anything and everything can be cause for a ban, without GOG having to explain themselves.

But seems like the same ban system that was previously used is still in effect, though it should now be enforced a bit more.
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