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neumi5694: Meh, the teaser shows "episode iv k" ...
I would very much like to see if they use the original scrolling text or the one with Episode IV in it.
The 4k77 edition is taken from a 35mm print shown in theatres in 1977: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1b47UP6ZGI

This is the best you can get... the big download (HD 38.1 GB/ 4K 73.3 GB) is totally worth it. Can't wait 'til Empire is finished!
Post edited December 12, 2022 by andreasmaureder
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PixelBoy: Right, and that makes no sense.

But there's also some customer responsibility here.
If we quietly accept that, then they keep doing that.
Now that I think about it the OG version of Doom 3 is still on sale on Steam and even got a horizontal box art when Steam redecorated, so Bethesda at least acknowledge its existence. Maybe a memo about getting it on GOG is sitting in someone's file cabinet somewhere.

In contrast the OG version of Deus Ex 3 was removed from sale and never mentioned again.
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AB2012: In my experience of having 2x PC's (1x W10 and the other still on W7 + Linux Mint), most games do continue to work on older OS's until you start recompiling them for client integration (eg, Fallout NV's XP compatibility broke because of Galaxy). Fine for Galaxy but it isn't needed in the offline installer version that can't even use them anyway. Everytime this gets mentioned, out comes the usual "But GOG only supports old games on new OS's" responses. In practice though, that depends on the platform and there's quite a few examples where "Ubuntu 14.04, 16.04 & 18.04" are supported but not 20.04 or 22.04 (ie, the equivalent of GOG supporting Vista, W7 & W8 but not W10-11 in 2022...) So "we only support new OS's, not old ones" is very much a mixed bag. Same with the unnecessary removal of original DOS files because of ScummVM integration, there was really nothing gained there vs leaving the files in for those who want DOSBox / FreeDOS support, as they take up mere kilobytes and ScummVM ignores them anyway. I think people are more accepting of older OS incompatibility when it's genuinely because "it's too old", but not for artificial reasons.
Good to know, thanks.

But for those that don't work, it can be even more difficult to source the original files, due to many Abandonware sites no longer providing a game once it is officially available again, at GOG etc.

Once I started purchasing games at GOG, I tried to avoid pirate and abandonware sites. I figured that I had enough games, and not being at GOG, meant the provider did not want me to play their games, so stuff them. If a provider angers me though, well why ignore another alternative, especially if I actually own the game anyway.
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AstralWanderer: Agreed, though this seems to be more dependent on the publisher/developer. When Beamdog moved to 64-bit versions of their IE games (Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale) the previous 32-bit version was retained as an extra (though not actually updated) so still available to new purchasers.
Yes it is good when they do that. I certainly have quite a few games at GOG where an additional 32 bit version is provided. I wish all providers cared enough to do that.

And even though Quake Enhanced is not yet available at GOG, the Steam version at least, comes in 32 and 64 bit, the new two expansion packs excepted. When I say new expansions, the first has been available for a while, and I have a free 32 bit version of that, so not sure why that wasn't provided as well. I'm not sure if Epic provide any of it as 32 bit, but maybe it depends on whether you install on a 32 bit PC, which is what I did with the Steam version.
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PixelBoy: Yeah, indeed.

Original files should always be available as extras, much more usable than some avatar images.
And I have wondered this many times, and I still do, they could easily offer other platforms like Amiga as extras as well, with a disclaimer that they provide no support for that. But they don't.

Now in some cases it's probably because there are complicated issues with IPs and copyrights, but that can't be the problem for every game out there.
Yep, even if what they provide won't run out-of-the-box, as many can be tweaked to run well enough with DOSbox or ScummVM etc ... and who knows what the future may provide in smart emulators.
Post edited December 14, 2022 by Timboli
Yeah, maybe it's time to stop thinking about GoG as a sort of archive. It's never a good idea to trust companies.

Hell, they don't even let us play on old patches of frequently updated games, despite some people claiming that's the case.
Even if they don't let us have access to all older versions of a game, they should let us download offline installers of any version we can roll back to. You know they still have the installers. How else would we be able to roll back?
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DoomSooth: Even if they don't let us have access to all older versions of a game, they should let us download offline installers of any version we can roll back to. You know they still have the installers. How else would we be able to roll back?
They have some sort of SVN archive.
The download works the same way for every version, no matter if it's the newest or the oldest one available.

It works basically this way:
Upload #0 Upload of the original version, files contained are A, B and C
Upload #1 a patch is applied, file B was changed, let's call it B1 from now one (even if the file keeps it's original name)
Upload #2 another patch is applied, D was added C was deleted

If you download and install #2, you get the files A, B1, D
If you 'roll back' (or download and install) #1, you get the files A, B1, C
If you 'roll back' (or download and install) #0, you get the files A, B, C

In addition of course they run some script that would set some registry settings or install runtimes.

No offline installer whatsoever is needed. If it was, Steam, Epic, Origin, Uplay, Microsoft XBox store and Rockstar would have a serious problem.

A installer is not some magic tool that brings the game to your hard disk. It's just a image of one of these uploads with the logic to unpack the files to your target directory.
If at one point they wanted to remove all previous versions, they would move the old files from #1 and #0 into #2 (if needed, the original B and C would not be included), removing the old restoration points.
Post edited December 14, 2022 by neumi5694
Guys, do you know if there's a list about games with new versions\editions resulting worse than the original ones?
I can't keep multiple backups of every title, so it would be useful to know which extra copies to save or not.
Post edited December 14, 2022 by phaolo
I see a 10 part "Witcher 3 GOTY Classic" in my extras section, guess that's it?
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Licurg: I see a 10 part "Witcher 3 GOTY Classic" in my extras section, guess that's it?
Unfortunately they can't be downloaded.
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Licurg: I see a 10 part "Witcher 3 GOTY Classic" in my extras section, guess that's it?
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AWG43: Unfortunately they can't be downloaded.
Maybe that's just temporary?
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Licurg: I see a 10 part "Witcher 3 GOTY Classic" in my extras section, guess that's it?
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AWG43: Unfortunately they can't be downloaded.
Did you try this?
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AWG43: Unfortunately they can't be downloaded.
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action_fan: Did you try this?
Yes, I tried that and it doesn't work. It shows the same error as the page in English.
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AWG43: Yes, I tried that and it doesn't work. It shows the same error as the page in English.
Change the language and download the main installer, not the one from the extras. You'll notice that the Complete Edition for other languages is version 1.31 and only has 10 files instead of 21.
Post edited December 14, 2022 by Grargar
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action_fan: Did you try this?
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AWG43: Yes, I tried that and it doesn't work. It shows the same error as the page in English.
Check picture in attachement.
Download "Offline backup installers" not "Extras".
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Post edited December 14, 2022 by mihuk