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BreOl72: Nobody kept you from buying your game and securing the old installers.
It's worth remembering though that "you should have backed up your installers x years ago before the remaster" isn't much help to someone who only discovered and purchased the game recently. People can and do discover decades old games for the first time recently and I definitely agree with those who say the original should always be made available regardless of time-frame. (Another valid reason is wanting to use original in a source port rather than an 'official' remaster).
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CthuluIsSpy: Yeah, but what if you want to play the original and don't already have it?
One should always have that option.
Look, I don't want to sound condescending...but at some point, you have to either accept, that you have to buy "early" (enough), or you have to accept, that the article you wanted to buy, won't be available anymore.

Just recently we had a discussion in this forum, where we talked about the "shelf life" of games before Steam (and download games in general) became a thing.

Back then, you either bought them, while they sat on the stores' shelves - or you couldn't buy them anymore (not first hand, that is).

This situation is no different from that old situation.

You can't simply expect that all the things that you ever may want to buy, will be available forever.
And if you do - better expect to get disappointed.

Sometimes games here get completely taken off the store. What do you do in those cases?
Cry about the injustice in the world that will take away this wonderful game tomorrow, before you can buy it?
Or do you simply buy it today, as long as it is still available (and then hopefully secure its installer files)?

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BreOl72: Nobody kept you from buying your game and securing the old installers.
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AB2012: It's worth remembering though that "you should have backed up your installers x years ago before the remaster" isn't much help to someone who only discovered and purchased the game recently.
But surely those people bought the game in the knowledge of it being the new version?
I mean, no one buys a game blind, right?

Or - if somebody does indeed buy their games blind - well,...

Apart from that, I refer you to my previous post.
Post edited December 10, 2022 by BreOl72
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BreOl72: But surely those people bought the game in the knowledge of it being the new version? I mean, no one buys a game blind, right?
So what's the alternative, you drive them back to Abandonware sites? Exactly how is that helping either the person get the game they want, or helping GOG to make a sale?. There have been enough bad remasters that long-term members here really should know better by now...

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BreOl72: Just recently we had a discussion in this forum, where we talked about the "shelf life" of games before Steam (and download games in general) became a thing. Back then, you either bought them, while they sat on the stores' shelves - or you couldn't buy them anymore (not first hand, that is). This situation is no different from that old situation.
Not sure if you're serious, but the situation is significantly different now in that old disc based games had to be made in batches (disc, manuals and physical boxes had to be printed in say 10,000x units, etc, even if only 12 people wanted it). Plus physical stores had limited physical shelf space. There's no such logistical limitation in retaining old content at all digitally. Hence why games like Crystal Caves HD have no problem keeping the DOS version. "It's just like pre-Steam". No it really isn't by any measure.
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AB2012: So what's the alternative, you drive them back to Abandonware sites? Exactly how is that helping either the person get the game they want, or helping GOG to make a sale?. There have been enough bad remasters that long-term members here really should know better by now...
It's not my problem (nor yours, btw) what publishers do with their games.

(A) A certain version of a game is available on GOG? A version that you want? Then buy it. After you bought it, secure it.
(B) A certain version of a game is available on GOG? A version that you don't want? Then don't buy it. Easy as pie.

There is no god-given right to be able to buy a certain version of anything.

You buy what you want, as long as it is available.
In case of GOG games, after the purchase, you secure the installers of the version you prefer. And that's it.
There's really nothing more to it.

Long-term members of GOG should know that, too, by now.
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AB2012: Not sure if you're serious, but the situation is significantly different now in that old disc based games had to be made in batches (disc, manuals and physical boxes had to be printed in say 10,000x units, etc, even if only 12 people wanted it). Plus physical stores had limited physical shelf space. There's no such logistical limitation in retaining old content at all digitally.
I'm absolutely serious, you just don't want to accept that the situation is the same.
You are correct in one thing: back in the day, at some point, the publishers didn't print any new discs.
And today, they simply decide to take a game off the stores.

If you can tell me where the difference lies - go ahead - tell me.
Only - please don't try to argue what publishers COULD DO, if they wanted, due to the "digital download only" nature of games today ...instead let's stay focused on what they ACTUALLY DO.
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BreOl72: (empty overly angry rant snipped)
Look, go back and re-read the OP.

"Is there any chance that the developers of Games like Dying Light could let us choose either the original or enhanced edition..."

^ He politely asked if developers would consider (as many, many other games here do) keeping the original versions after a remaster (and there are many valid reasons to do so). I don't know why that polite request massively triggered you, but your overly-angry 'crusader' style responses don't sound like they're coming from a healthy place at all. Calm down and chill out a bit my friend.
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BreOl72: (empty overly angry rant snipped)
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AB2012: Look, go back and re-read the OP.

"Is there any chance that the developers of Games like Dying Light could let us choose either the original or enhanced edition..."

^ He politely asked if developers would consider (as many, many other games here do) keeping the original versions after a remaster (and there are many valid reasons to do so).
I don't know why that polite request massively triggered you, but your overly-angry 'crusader' style responses don't sound like they're coming from a healthy place at all. Calm down and chill out a bit my friend.
And I don't know where I was (quote): "overly angry", respectively "triggered", since you conveniently (?) didn't quote the particular parts that allegedly support that claim.

Aprt from that, I refer you - once again - to my previous posts: you don't have to like what publishers do, but you have to accept it (even if some here very obviously don't believe in the acceptance of the decisions of others).
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BreOl72: Back then, you either bought them, while they sat on the stores' shelves - or you couldn't buy them anymore (not first hand, that is).

This situation is no different from that old situation.
But the situation is different, and should be and be an advantage in favor of a digital distribution.
Taking a completely functioning version away just to save a few GB of hardware space and some bandwidth is unfair and complaining about it is the least one can do.

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BreOl72: That's the huge advantage of buying DRM-free, after all.
That you can secure your game from getting accessed/changed by the store/publisher after purchase.
I had ~3x instances where gog galaxy changed my settings and tried to auto-update my game library. The first thing I do now when I launch the bloody thing is scramble to check if it tries to pull the same shenanigans again!

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BreOl72: And regarding Galaxy: I never used it, I have no intention to ever change that.
Apart from that: I thought one of Galaxy's advantages over the offline installers was a rollback feature?
Not entirely. Just some, random it seems, increments. There is virtually no game where you can revert to v.1.0.

The aforementioned ability to choose what patch version to apply would be best.
Would be is the keyword here. :<
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BreOl72: It's not my problem (nor yours, btw) what publishers do with their games.
^ Damn, someone got out of the wrong side of bed this morning...

There always has been and always will be a large overlap between people who buy old games and an interest in game preservation / curation of the originals. That you're 'demanding' everyone take some imaginary surgical scalpel and neatly divide those two issues up then tell half of them to essentially "get lost" from shopping at GOG is really not helping anyone here.
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BreOl72: It's not my problem (nor yours, btw) what publishers do with their games.
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BrianSim: ^ Damn, someone got out of the wrong side of bed this morning...

There always has been and always will be a large overlap between people who buy old games and an interest in game preservation / curation of the originals. That you're 'demanding' everyone take some imaginary surgical scalpel and neatly divide those two issues up then tell half of them to essentially "get lost" from shopping at GOG is really not helping anyone here.
But you guys crying over things neither of us can change does?
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BreOl72: Only - please don't try to argue what publishers COULD DO, if they wanted, due to the "digital download only" nature of games today ...instead let's stay focused on what they ACTUALLY DO.
That's the point!

Some games, such as Spellforce 3 give you to option of playing the remaster OR classic. As do other publishers. (I just can't come up with any at the moment.)

Others - like Doom3, don't even offer the classic version.
Again, others - take the classic version away after they bring a ''remaster'' here.

Why can't they let the classic version stay here?
The only thing that costs is bandwidth and a few GB of space. And not their own mind you -- the files are hosted by GOG!!
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BreOl72: And I don't know where I was (quote): "overly angry", respectively "triggered", since you conveniently (?) didn't quote the particular parts that allegedly support that claim.
Probably your extensive use of SHOUTING IN CAPS and bold? He's right. The OP made a polite request for someone other publishers here already do, and yet it's you not him that's ended up the angriest person here for "daring" to suggest that, for some reason. Calm down.
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BreOl72: But you guys crying over things neither of us can change does?
The only person "crying" here is you. Jesus. Why do you think the GOG wishlist exists? For people to request features not already being provided (no real different to what OP is doing)? Given your attitude, that's "entitlement" and the whole wishlist should be banned. Seriously, it's almost Xmas. Cheer up a bit.
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Atlo: But the situation is different, and should be and be an advantage in favor of a digital distribution.
Look, I really don't see a point in arguing over things that "should" and/or "could" be in theory.
I rather deal with the things as they are.
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Atlo: I had ~3x instances where gog galaxy changed my settings and tried to auto-update my game library.
There's your first mistake already - using Galaxy. That judgement is entirely subjectively from my side, of course.
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Atlo: The first thing I do now when I launch the bloody thing is scramble to check if it tries to pull the same shenanigans again!
That's your second mistake: the first thing you should do after a purchase, is to download the offline installers.
Then Galaxy can't mess with those anymore.

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Atlo: Not entirely. Just some, random it seems, increments. There is virtually no game where you can revert to v.1.0.
The aforementioned ability to choose what patch version to apply would be best.
Would be is the keyword here. :<
I know I sound like a broken record, but - download your offline installers.
That way, you decide which version you want to keep.
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ListyG: Probably your extensive use of SHOUTING IN CAPS and bold? He's right. The OP made a polite request for someone other publishers here already do, and yet it's you not him that's ended up the angriest person here for "daring" to suggest that, for some reason. Calm down.
I used the CAPSLOCK (I was not shouting, btw) on four words (16 letters in total, so hardly "extensive") to make my point better visible, that we should concentrate on the IS - not the COULD/SHOULD (again: not shouting). The same goes for the bold parts.
And I was (and still am) not angry in the slightest.
The OP can request whatever he wants.
I just fail to see, how his request here in the GOG forum will achieve anything.
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BrianSim: The only person "crying" here is you.
We have very different definitions of "crying", that much is sure.
Post edited December 10, 2022 by BreOl72
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BreOl72: Nobody is "forcing" you. It's simply the reasonable thing to do.

And regarding Galaxy: I never used it, I have no intention to ever change that.
Apart from that: I thought one of Galaxy's advantages over the offline installers was a rollback feature?
Ok, "forced" was the wrong term.
Well, if you have a system, that is good enough for the old version, but not for the new one, then you need some method to still play the old game.

While this is possible for some games on Galaxy, it's not possible for all of them. There are several games that don't offer that option. And for the games wher it is possible, when installing you always get the new version, then must roll back to an older one.
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Atlo: But the situation is different, and should be and be an advantage in favor of a digital distribution.
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BreOl72: Look, I really don't see a point in arguing over things that "should" and/or "could" be in theory.
I rather deal with the things as they are.
And therein lie different approaches -- making a forum entry and complaining is the least one can do.
Accepting things as they are is another.

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Atlo: I had ~3x instances where gog galaxy changed my settings and tried to auto-update my game library.
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BreOl72: There's your first mistake already - using Galaxy. That judgement is entirely subjectively from my side, of course.
Using Galaxy is a mistake. To be honest I don't even know why I do... you can't revert to a specific version, I don't care about achievements...

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BreOl72: I know I sound like a broken record, but - download your offline installers.
That way, you decide which version you want to keep.
I want to keep the version that is not available anymore.