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Rapp argued that the sexualisation of minors in video games should not be cut in Western countries (or "censored" if you wish), because those scenes reflected Japanese culture, with age of consent being considerably lower.

That's exactly the stuff e.g. gamergate supporters have argued for DoaX3, even going so far as to buy a sub par game off importers just to make a statement.

But for her gamergate stances, Rapp was attacked, called "SJW" and "pedophile" on twitter until Nintendo saw no use in her as a PR person any more.

Now you're trying to find justifications that somehow Nintendo would have fired her anyway, alluding to conspiracy theories ("advocating censorship" ... the irony, oh Jesus H Macy Lord of the Rastafarians, the irony).

The fact of the matter is, gamergate supporters have now made abundantly clear that they wish for all the "censorship" in the whole wide world if only people they harass get properly fired.
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LeonardoCornejo: -snop-
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Darvond: So basically, she was already on borrowed time, but Nintendo could have dismissed her with far better timing and reasoning?

As for the games, I'm in a bit of a snarky mood because Nintendo tries to act like it's a kid friendly company when as another example, crashing the moon into a town, and ripping out the eye to shoot blood at you as an attack.

And those were E rated. :V
the problem with nintendo is that they are repeating the same thing other and over and other again, and they had been playing the same tune towards same demographics for the last THREE DECADES...

so, please nintendo, GROW UP at least, at least hale of your customer/fan base are now in their 30's and some are 40 years old...
i completely lost interest in nintendo products over a full switch tward sega (while i used to play and like both before) when i was 15 for god sake ! i'm 40 now and i hear nintendo talking to same kind of players the same way they did in the early nineties...

anyway of course miss rapp is completely free to express her opinions, take shots of her in lingerie, having pro-pedophilia/child pornography speech as a citizen... it's her perfect right. It is our right to not fully agree or endore it as far as we are concerned on an individual level. BUT she accepted a job as a PR in a company well known for its positions and image. When you are someone's PR, part of the job implies to give up some of your private rights of personnal expression if it goes against your employer. I'm pretty sure PR job contracts have terms for such issues. And so, if nintendo want to use this as a leverage, pretext or legitimate reason to explain the breach of contract and them firing her, this was all well known and stated since beginning when she signed up.
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Vainamoinen: Rapp argued that the sexualisation of minors in video games should not be cut in Western countries (or "censored" if you wish), because those scenes reflected Japanese culture, with age of consent being considerably lower.

That's exactly the stuff e.g. gamergate supporters have argued for DoaX3, even going so far as to buy a sub par game off importers just to make a statement.

But for her gamergate stances, Rapp was attacked, called "SJW" and "pedophile" on twitter until Nintendo saw no use in her as a PR person any more.

Now you're trying to find justifications that somehow Nintendo would have fired her anyway, alluding to conspiracy theories ("advocating censorship" ... the irony, oh Jesus H Macy Lord of the Rastafarians, the irony).

The fact of the matter is, gamergate supporters have now made abundantly clear that they wish for all the "censorship" in the whole wide world if only people they harass get properly fired.
It seems your sources lied to you. Nintendo in its official statement given to IGN said that her firing didn't have anything to do with the controversy : https://archive.is/PFgIN

EDIT: Also, it was the Wayne foundation that reached out to Nintendo about her ''problematic'' behavior. Also vaina; how is a woman being fired for supporting pedophilia so bad if the same person getting fired for racism reported from ideologue SJWs is good? Double standards?

''Japanese culture eh? So you don't view all cultures with the same standards? BTW I think Japan's age of consent is 13 on a national level but 18 after state legislation in all states.

Harassment? Yeah right; with your definition of harassment, even saying something you disagree with is harassment. Keep in mind it has a legal definition and is a culpable crime, and use the word accordingly. Just like ''rape'' and ''racism''.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: It seems your sources lied to you. Nintendo in its official statement given to IGN said that her firing didn't have anything to do with the controversy : https://archive.is/PFgIN

EDIT: Also, it was the Wayne foundation that reached out to Nintendo about her ''problematic'' behavior. Also vaina; how is a woman being fired for supporting pedophilia so bad if the same person getting fired for racism reported from ideologue SJWs is good? Double standards?

''Japanese culture eh? So you don't view all cultures with the same standards? BTW I think Japan's age of consent is 13 on a national level but 18 after state legislation in all states.

Harassment? Yeah right; with your definition of harassment, even saying something you disagree with is harassment. Keep in mind it has a legal definition and is a culpable crime, and use the word accordingly. Just like ''rape'' and ''racism''.
Yep, there's clearly pieces missing to the story, and Nintendo being Nintendo, we'll never find out.
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Rapp came to the attention of certain individuals on Twitter, 4Chan, and other platforms last year, after the US versions of Wii U game Xenoblade Chronicles X and 3DS title Fire Emblem Fates were tweaked from their original Japanese form, removing sections that involved surreptitious drink spiking, a face-stroking minigame, and a "boob slider" that let players inflate or deflate their character's bust. But while these sections were presumably excised because they were deemed unpalatable to Western audiences, Rapp's involvement in their removal appears to have been non-existent. Although she did work in Nintendo of America's Treehouse team — responsible for localizing games for audiences outside Japan — Rapp's role was in marketing, rather than translation, development, or editing. Indeed, she said she was in favor of some of the cut sections remaining in the game.

Rapp didn't actually localize games herself

Nonetheless, she was selected as a target for a number of individuals and groups — largely because she has been outspoken on Twitter about her feminism, causing many to brand her as a "social justice warrior." That complaint mutated when it was discovered that while attending college as an undergraduate in 2011, Rapp wrote an essay that put forward an argument against Japan strengthening its anti-child pornography laws, and for an more nuanced Western understanding of Japanese cultural norms. The essay specifically makes the same culturally relativist argument that Rapp's critics were making five years later, but rather than absolve her of perceived guilt, it allowed those against her to change tack — instead of a "feminazi," she was now pro-pedophilia.

In tweets Rapp has identified the GamerGate movement as particular antagonists, saying that "GG" sympathizers had been contacting Nintendo directly with information from her personal life, but she also caught the ire of neo-Nazis. White supremacist site the Daily Stormer said Rapp showed "the impact of Jews and feminism on our society," and that she was "advocating sex with kids." Infamous harasser and white supremacist Andrew "weev" Auernheimer tried to marshal his forces, commenting on the story with contact details for Nintendo employees, and instructions to act "as a concerned parent" while making complaints about Rapp so the company couldn't trace the "white supremacist conspiracy" brewing.
Here's your victory.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Shadowstalker16: It seems your sources lied to you. Nintendo in its official statement given to IGN said that her firing didn't have anything to do with the controversy : https://archive.is/PFgIN

EDIT: Also, it was the Wayne foundation that reached out to Nintendo about her ''problematic'' behavior. Also vaina; how is a woman being fired for supporting pedophilia so bad if the same person getting fired for racism reported from ideologue SJWs is good? Double standards?

''Japanese culture eh? So you don't view all cultures with the same standards? BTW I think Japan's age of consent is 13 on a national level but 18 after state legislation in all states.

Harassment? Yeah right; with your definition of harassment, even saying something you disagree with is harassment. Keep in mind it has a legal definition and is a culpable crime, and use the word accordingly. Just like ''rape'' and ''racism''.
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Darvond: Yep, there's clearly pieces missing to the story, and Nintendo being Nintendo, we'll never find out.
Yup. She's been criticized by GG, criticized by the Wayne Foundation, is accused of supporting pedophilia (keep in mind this is a Nintendo employee) and she took part in the FEF localization.
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Vainamoinen: (emboldings from me)

Rapp came to the attention of certain individuals on Twitter, 4Chan, and other platforms last year, after the US versions of Wii U game Xenoblade Chronicles X and 3DS title Fire Emblem Fates were tweaked from their original Japanese form, removing sections that involved surreptitious drink spiking, a face-stroking minigame, and a "boob slider" that let players inflate or deflate their character's bust. But while these sections were presumably excised because they were deemed unpalatable to Western audiences, Rapp's involvement in their removal appears to have been non-existent. Although she did work in Nintendo of America's Treehouse team — responsible for localizing games for audiences outside Japan — Rapp's role was in marketing, rather than translation, development, or editing. Indeed, she said she was in favor of some of the cut sections remaining in the game.

Rapp didn't actually localize games herself

Nonetheless, she was selected as a target for a number of individuals and groups — largely because she has been outspoken on Twitter about her feminism, causing many to brand her as a "social justice warrior." That complaint mutated when it was discovered that while attending college as an undergraduate in 2011, Rapp wrote an essay that put forward an argument against Japan strengthening its anti-child pornography laws, and for an more nuanced Western understanding of Japanese cultural norms. The essay specifically makes the same culturally relativist argument that Rapp's critics were making five years later, but rather than absolve her of perceived guilt, it allowed those against her to change tack — instead of a "feminazi," she was now pro-pedophilia.

In tweets Rapp has identified the GamerGate movement as particular antagonists, saying that "GG" sympathizers had been contacting Nintendo directly with information from her personal life, but she also caught the ire of neo-Nazis. White supremacist site the Daily Stormer said Rapp showed "the impact of Jews and feminism on our society," and that she was "advocating sex with kids." Infamous harasser and white supremacist Andrew "weev" Auernheimer tried to marshal his forces, commenting on the story with contact details for Nintendo employees, and instructions to act "as a concerned parent" while making complaints about Rapp so the company couldn't trace the "white supremacist conspiracy" brewing.
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Vainamoinen: Here's your victory.
This GG, not the Wayne foundation.

And don't act so shocked given these poor never racist, never evil ''SJW''s do this all the time. So as your ilk like to say, you may be part of the problem.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
Also, KiA condemned the hashtag campaign against Alison Rapp : http://archive.is/logaL
And apparently; this hashtag campaign was started by the Wayne foundation and out of the few people who participated, only 8 people who took part were non GGR proGG. A gator actually went through all the tweets in that hashtag campaign and made a video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-X2fmxIOBQ
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All this is being far more than stupid,

After criticising the SJW Witch Hunting, GG starts their own...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/nintendo-urged-fire-woman-centre-7464276

Doxing and getting this girl FIRED, this is a SHAME you are doing the same thing you are complaining of, the same thing the most agressive "I am a megaphone" stupid SJWs did before...

This is out of all sense and logic, "intersectional-feminists" that are able of blaming the whole Asia society for worry about Beauty and sex empowerment in women, crying for Pin up T-shirts and videogame/comics Butts... to later approve constantly Islam, or other big patriarchal movements, because you know "intersectional" is just for poor societies, not for the South Korean one for instance...

But hey! it wasn't enough with them, now we have the GG associates or anti-feminist pals, accusing a PR of being a pedophile in the worst of their manners, for a 2012 text, that she never hided, trying to understand Japanese Society, meanwhile LOGIC, we cry and outrage for having Hentai games censorship, or not getting DOAX3 in the West...

PLEASE A ROCKET TO MARS, NOW!!! I LEAVE...
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YaTEdiGo: All this is being far more than stupid,

After criticising the SJW Witch Hunting, GG starts their own...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/nintendo-urged-fire-woman-centre-7464276

Doxing and getting this girl FIRED, this is a SHAME you are doing the same thing you are complaining of, the same thing the most agressive "I am a megaphone" stupid SJWs did before...

This is out of all sense and logic, "intersectional-feminists" that are able of blaming the whole Asia society for worry about Beauty and sex empowerment in women, crying for Pin up T-shirts and videogame/comics Butts... to later approve constantly Islam, or other big patriarchal movements, because you know "intersectional" is just for poor societies, not for the South Korean one for instance...

But hey! it wasn't enough with them, now we have the GG associates or anti-feminist pals, accusing a PR of being a pedophile in the worst of their manners, for a 2012 text, that she never hided, trying to understand Japanese Society, meanwhile LOGIC, we cry and outrage for having Hentai games censorship, or not getting DOAX3 in the West...

PLEASE A ROCKET TO MARS, NOW!!! I LEAVE...
The campaign to fire he was started by the Wayne Foundation and was condemned by KiA. Look at the previous links other posters shared as well as mine. The media is twisting it to make it look like GG did it.
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Shadowstalker16: And apparently; this hashtag campaign was started by the Wayne foundation and out of the few people who participated, only 8 people who took part were non GGR proGG. [...]

is accused of supporting pedophilia (keep in mind this is a Nintendo employee) and she took part in the FEF localization.
You put the "it wasn't gamergate" defense on the plate while at the same time heralding the incorrect and inflammatory information that fueled and continues to fuel the harassment campaign. Consider yourself a gamergate supporter? Then yes, gamergate supporters have harassed Alison Rapp and cost her her job (if you believe Nintendo in this all too convenient respect, then I'm sorry for you).

To reiterate:

(a) Marketing people don't localize games

(b) Alison Rapp's "pedophilia" is identical to gamergate's "pedophilia". It's the same argument.

You can either be against "censorship", support that argument and support Alison Rapp for bringing it right to Nintendo of America, or you can say: No siree, I don't want sexualized minors in my games, and thanks to Nintendo for applying those cuts.

You can not do both at the same time.

But, hey, don't take my word for it. How about Brasas'.

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Brasas: So to me this is a perfect example of the kind of lying by omission that anti GG usually does, but apparently on the GG side. Of course I have no idea - and it really does not matter - what any of these peopel feel about GG, in fact the position the original author takes against censorship of Japanese games would seem to align with the GG one.
The ritualized slander without any inner logic happened RIGHT HERE IN THIS THREAD. Do I really need to bring up a bunch of Leonardo posts to illustrate?
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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YaTEdiGo: All this is being far more than stupid,

After criticising the SJW Witch Hunting, GG starts their own...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/nintendo-urged-fire-woman-centre-7464276

Doxing and getting this girl FIRED, this is a SHAME you are doing the same thing you are complaining of, the same thing the most agressive "I am a megaphone" stupid SJWs did before...

This is out of all sense and logic, "intersectional-feminists" that are able of blaming the whole Asia society for worry about Beauty and sex empowerment in women, crying for Pin up T-shirts and videogame/comics Butts... to later approve constantly Islam, or other big patriarchal movements, because you know "intersectional" is just for poor societies, not for the South Korean one for instance...

But hey! it wasn't enough with them, now we have the GG associates or anti-feminist pals, accusing a PR of being a pedophile in the worst of their manners, for a 2012 text, that she never hided, trying to understand Japanese Society, meanwhile LOGIC, we cry and outrage for having Hentai games censorship, or not getting DOAX3 in the West...

PLEASE A ROCKET TO MARS, NOW!!! I LEAVE...
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Shadowstalker16: The campaign to fire he was started by the Wayne Foundation and was condemned by KiA. Look at the previous links other posters shared as well as mine. The media is twisting it to make it look like GG did it.
She points to GG, and I believe many gamergaters are assholes, the same way I believe the whole movement has tons of normal supernice people. I will check the links.

The whole thing is ridiculous,

Rapp said "Hentai representing young people isn't related to children abuse" and she is now defended by the same assholes that say constantly that "the representations of sexy girls in pop culture are related to patriarchy and even to rape culture" defend her.

The ones that suppose to fight for not censorship, even in this kind of Japanese products, now applaud the Nintendo decision.

Seriously this is STUPID
Post edited March 31, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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Shadowstalker16: And apparently; this hashtag campaign was started by the Wayne foundation and out of the few people who participated, only 8 people who took part were non GGR proGG. [...]

is accused of supporting pedophilia (keep in mind this is a Nintendo employee) and she took part in the FEF localization.
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Vainamoinen: You put the "it wasn't gamergate" defense on the plate while at the same time heralding the incorrect and inflammatory information that fueled and continues to fuel the harassment campaign. Consider yourself a gamergate supporter? Then yes, gamergate supporters have harassed Alison Rapp and cost her her job (if you believe Nintendo in this all too convenient respect, then I'm sorry for you).

To reiterate:

(a) Marketing people don't localize games

(b) Alison Rapp's "pedophilia" is identical to gamergate's "pedophilia". It's the same argument.

You can either be against "censorship", support that argument and support Alison Rapp for bringing it right to Nintendo of America, or you can say: No siree, I don't want sexualized minors in my games, and thanks to Nintendo for applying those cuts.

You can not do both at the same time.

But, hey, don't take my word for it. How about Brasas'.

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Brasas: So to me this is a perfect example of the kind of lying by omission that anti GG usually does, but apparently on the GG side. Of course I have no idea - and it really does not matter - what any of these peopel feel about GG, in fact the position the original author takes against censorship of Japanese games would seem to align with the GG one.
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Vainamoinen:
Where did I say I was against Alison Rapp or support the termination of her employment? Most people who posted on this issue in the KiA thread at least kinda agreed with that statement as well, seeing its had something like 97% upvotes and 1200 upvotes. I DID say the Nintendo's official address on this topic was against what you posted and I do realize the source isn't trustworthy.

Yes, I realize the accusation of pedophilia is quite unfounded. I admit that mistake. But also keep in mind I brought that accusation because its Nintendo, who is much more likely to be shoot first and ask questions never when it comes to it. I admit it was quite incorrect.

As to what you actually say in your post, I don't understand. So you're saying it was GG and only GG? Or that if I am a GG supporter GG is harassing her (with emphasis on the ''if'').

The last paragraph is just nonsensical. You're claiming underage sexualization is the only thing the ''localization'' took out of the game. That is factually incorrect.

I don't support the firing of Alison Rapp nor the removal of any scenes (including underage sexualization by ''Japanese culture'' or not, it was in the game and was taken out instead of giving a choice) and I condemn the GGers and GGRers who took part in the Wayne Foundations hashtag campaign.

lol is that a PM posted in public? Seems you're a bad friend :D
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Shadowstalker16: Yes, I realize the accusation of pedophilia is quite unfounded. I admit that mistake.
That's great (and I'm thankful!), but it's not just that. It's that the accusation of pedophilia is sourced from Rapp statements that strongly support gamergate's ostensible fight against 'censorship'. That's what made her an "SJW", fighting for the same cause as gamergate supposedly does.

Not just the harassment, but the whole slanderous line of reasoning found on ample gamergate websites perfectly illustrates how the social outrage that supposedly defines gamergate's fictionalized enemies is found in quite an equal measure in gamergate supporters.

It has now led to a girl likely having her life ruined. When I look at KiA today, the only thing I see is that operation "Get Alison back in office" has somehow not yet properly started.

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Shadowstalker16: The last paragraph is just nonsensical. You're claiming underage sexualization is the only thing the ''localization'' took out of the game. That is factually incorrect.
I'm not claiming anything of the kind. I'm only looking at the things you mentioned that supposedly got Alison Rapp fired. Really, I'm quite thankful that you didn't also claim that a girl in her early twenties was single-handedly responsible for a localisation team actually blanking out large batches of dialog. :|

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Shadowstalker16: lol is that a PM posted in public? Seems you're a bad friend :D
No, that's a post in this thread. Should have been a wakeup call back then while things steadily escalated. Seems you ignored it. :(


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Shadowstalker16: I don't support the firing of Alison Rapp
So go tell Nintendo of America. I certainly will.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Shadowstalker16: Yes, I realize the accusation of pedophilia is quite unfounded. I admit that mistake.
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Vainamoinen: That's great (and I'm thankful!), but it's not just that. It's that the accusation of pedophilia is sourced from Rapp statements that strongly support gamergate's ostensible fight against 'censorship'. That's what made her an "SJW", fighting for the same cause as gamergate supposedly does.

Not just the harassment, but the whole slanderous line of reasoning found on ample gamergate websites perfectly illustrates how the social outrage that supposedly defines gamergate's fictionalized enemies is found in quite an equal measure in gamergate supporters.

It has now led to a girl likely having her life ruined. When I look at KiA today, the only thing I see is that operation "Get Alison back in office" has somehow not yet properly started.

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Shadowstalker16: The last paragraph is just nonsensical. You're claiming underage sexualization is the only thing the ''localization'' took out of the game. That is factually incorrect.
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Vainamoinen: I'm not claiming anything of the kind. I'm only looking at the things you mentioned that supposedly got Alison Rapp fired. Really, I'm quite thankful that you didn't also claim that a girl in her early twenties was single-handedly responsible for a localisation team actually blanking out large batches of dialog. :|

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Shadowstalker16: lol is that a PM posted in public? Seems you're a bad friend :D
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Vainamoinen: No, that's a post in this thread. Should have been a wakeup call back then while things steadily escalated. Seems you ignored it. :(
I'm not touching quotes, because they fail too often for my liking. I'll number them.

1.I haven't actually seen more than her saying something about it in a tweet, so I'll wait to see more posts before I conclude. But keep in mind she seemed to have supported both in game (which may be argued to be OK as long as real children aren't involved in any way) AND the real stuff which is statuary rape. Link to these alleged pedo support posts that align with GG's anticensorship vision if you have any.

Can you link the factually incorrect ones from the proGG sites? I expect to see RR but what else?

As to getting her fired, I don't deny GG had nothing to do with it, and think its one of the times GG actions have IN PART led to real damage and harassment and is hence a genuine bad effect of the movement. I still want you to keep in mind most of the support for the twitter campaign against her was from nonGGers and GGRers. I'm not saying GG didn't have a role but you cannot discount the others either and place all blame on GG.

2.AFAIK she worked in PR, which is rookie stuff when it comes to game publishers. Without discounting GG's part, Nintendo might have fired her in future if such accusations were raised because of their PR need to deal with child unfriendly employees (alleged or proven).

3.You gotta see something to ignore it.
EDIT: its isn't there in the last few pages. Is it old?
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Yes, I realize the accusation of pedophilia is quite unfounded. I admit that mistake.
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Vainamoinen: That's great (and I'm thankful!), but it's not just that. It's that the accusation of pedophilia is sourced from Rapp statements that strongly support gamergate's ostensible fight against 'censorship'. That's what made her an "SJW", fighting for the same cause as gamergate supposedly does.

Not just the harassment, but the whole slanderous line of reasoning found on ample gamergate websites perfectly illustrates how the social outrage that supposedly defines gamergate's fictionalized enemies is found in quite an equal measure in gamergate supporters.

It has now led to a girl likely having her life ruined. When I look at KiA today, the only thing I see is that operation "Get Alison back in office" has somehow not yet properly started.

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Shadowstalker16: The last paragraph is just nonsensical. You're claiming underage sexualization is the only thing the ''localization'' took out of the game. That is factually incorrect.
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Vainamoinen: I'm not claiming anything of the kind. I'm only looking at the things you mentioned that supposedly got Alison Rapp fired. Really, I'm quite thankful that you didn't also claim that a girl in her early twenties was single-handedly responsible for a localisation team actually blanking out large batches of dialog. :|

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Shadowstalker16: lol is that a PM posted in public? Seems you're a bad friend :D
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Vainamoinen: No, that's a post in this thread. Should have been a wakeup call back then while things steadily escalated. Seems you ignored it. :(

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Shadowstalker16: I don't support the firing of Alison Rapp
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Vainamoinen: So go tell Nintendo of America. I certainly will.
So protect feminism>protect children right? xDDDD you SJW are so funny... your Logic and priorities are out of order. If it were been a man, I was thinking what would were been happen if Nintendo were fired a man not a woman, probably the same defending her were been be talking about how bad Hentai is and how bad Japanese culture in terms of patriarchy is.

Sad, sad sad sad... sad...