It is especially hard now , as understanding and seeing who is right or wrong would need plenty of years of microbiology study + enough true info what the virus is actually doing.

Did you bother to read the responses to the article you linked? Did you bother to watch the video I linked? Are you interested in rational discussion, or would you "rather not"?

Sure.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11814749/bakersfield-doctors-dubious-covid-19-test-conclusions-spread-like-wildfire
Quote:
But public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

'This pandemic has been so severely politicized in this country that evidence, no matter how poor, gets amplified enormously if it benefits one side or another.'
Dr. Carl Bergstrom, University of Washington

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling.
He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

From my experience, nothing is representative of the whole population. How could you represent those who hate these tests? Only totalitarian systems could force everybody to do that ,but then forcing it would corrupt the test.

Except for one llittle problem: there have been no credible studies done re COVID-19 mortality, because that requires a significant amount of time. If you can't spot a fallacy that blatant, what's the point of trying to discuss this?

Well, how come that you believe a 'study' done by these two doctors to be credible, if -as you say- there are no credible studies yet?

What was your question again?

That is a bit misleading, what that rebuttal said I mean.

Of course the number tested was small, but it was more than the amount tested in many other areas(so a better picture of what's going on, at least in that area).

Also that's how such research works...they test and then retest, then test some more and adjust as needed.

That(their sample size being small or them not doing their science as others do) does not mean they are wrong(at least for their area or state), or that they are wrong because some other site said "they did such and such wrong".

They(other doctors and such professionals) need to "look into it" a bit more to determine it's validity, and then incorporate the good bits into their own research as needed, basically, and not just discard it like a piece of refuse.

Good science doesn't debunk things that go outside the accepted norm or which don't match the current models just to debunk it. They test it and retest it to see if it holds water or not.

This kind of labeling of those doctors by this one leads me to believe he dislikes them or what they are saying and is just closing his ears and discarding it without testing it. That's not good science.

I agree with this, and that is why I feel no study of sufficient 'weight' by a medical expert or doctor should be discarded or held up without further checking.

I happen to think we have been there for quite some time now. A good number of scientists and such professionals like to divide into what could be deemed cliques, and will often dismiss things they don't agree with that are said by the ones in their fields they dislike and agree with things their associates(the ones they agree with) say more readily.

Add to that the tendency of a good number of them to "dump on" those who post things that the MSM & others deem politically incorrect(like the stuff said by Watson) to save face, and you can see why modern "science" can be lacking.

True, human personality is always problematic, but necessity is a powerful motivator, so let's hope for the best and do what we can to see that evil does not prevail.

You mean prevail more than it has?

If so then it sounds like a plan.

And now I will switch back to the topic at hand, lest we go too offtopic.

A question out of left field: Have you seen the silly TikTok videos of doctors and nurses doing stuff like Titanic impressions?

I have not, so link it up.

Sorry, I had to figure out how to post links(a friend told me how) That is but one example. There are many others as of late, and of other songs and even dancing.

Its me again, I make things short.

The full Case Cluster Study is released, 36 pages of information.

So much new stuff to read, geez.

EDIT: Holy smokes this is crazy. According to the data from Gangelt the infection rates and the general decrease in numbers of infected people also allign with those world wide almost regardless of the measurements taken (and according to the study itself, this similarly applies to every state and country). This means that this virus kinda "halts itself" spreading automatically after a while just because it can in a non exponential fashion. I would not believe the article per-se but considering it includes Sweden and what we know now according to the new data.

What is going on with this virus. It just does its thing so its kinda like the german population lol.

To put it very simply as most people aren't versed in virology, what's going on with this virus is what has been going on for ages with those kinds/types of infectious, let's say pandemics. Indeed it does its thing: rears its ugly RNA, goes on up until reaching its peak, then decreases and goes away, regardless of where its at.. And as such, if well and truly 'left alone', it is highly unlikely for this virus to become seasonal as some have speculated. In order to understand how come and why not, virologists worthy of such title most likely have already explained this to the general public.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

To early to call imho, it's still around and the moves to 'get back to work' are only going to keep it around longer.