I'm sorry Moonbeam that you took my last post for you. I had no problem with yours.

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The idea of only socially isolating the elderly is not realistic. "Okay, 95 year old grandma, go stay by yourself in this room for 2 months. We'll come to give you food and talk for a few minutes, but we'll have to basically wear hazmat suits while we do it".

The current system is feasible because you have the entire family locked down together. If only the elderly will be locked down, how would you accomplish that? Everyone build a separate room for their grandparents? Send them off to a concentration camp?

The way it would end up would be grandpa and grandma staying at home, everyone else going about their day as usual (with social distancing measures, which, as you pointed out, isn't enough), and then coming back home infected, and infecting grandma and grandpa any way.

Also, focusing only on mortality rate isn't enough. Sure, not so many people will die, but how many will need hospitalisation? Those people will clog up and overburden the healthcare system, so that not only other people with covid19 wouldn't be able to be treated, but people with cancer, broken legs, gunshot wounds, liver problems, they would all be affected too.

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It might be more in your neck of the woods due to a higher percentage of the population being elderly or vulnerable....there are MANY factors to consider.

As per saying they are claims: he has the data to back it up. Some might be false positives, as it were, but further testing is likely to ferret out the truth of the matter.

Just a correction: I believe it was his wife that took it(although he might've taken it as well).

Well obviously under NORMAL circumstances one likely wouldn't take such and doctors wouldn't likely give them such.....but under exceptional circumstances where one is sure to die of a disease or ailment, if something can save them and they will likely die anyways shouldn't they try anything they can(that might work) to survive?

Data you disagree with shouldn't be cast aside unless it can be proven false....that's what one should logically do in this case.

People will likely also die due to food shortages/mental health issues/unemployment caused by lockdowns.

Interesting info to think on...thanks for this.

If we need to quarantine that long then it'd likely be much better to quarantine just the elderly/vulnerable(as I said) and get supplies(food/medicine) to them via various channels.

That way the young and able can work to support them(either with money to family and friends to buy supplies, or to make needed stuff for said isolated populations, or in other ways.

And we can't keep people locked down for too long, or people will STARVE or lose their jobs then STARVE.....among other such bad things....and people will die that way.

It's likely not as simple as erasing debts......people need jobs to make money, and jobs aren't made quickly out of thin air. Once they lose said jobs it might be very hard for them to get another one.

Agreed

If sincere that is nice of you to say/be okay with, if I may say so.

The problem being many more losing their jobs could kill off as many or more that died from the virus so far.....we cannot keep people locked up forever, and we cannot wait years for a vaccine(if one is even possible)....so we will(as a world) have to make a choice soon, I think....and if I may be honest i'm glad I don't have to make it.

(I second guess too much and i'd likely not be able to make a call quickly enough and always worry I made the wrong one).
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You are being hyperbolic, imo.

People could likely easily do it via means such as asking the elderly to stay in their rooms and having them(elderly family members) social distance/not touch many surfaces/etc when needing to leave their room.

OR they could(with govt help or on their own if they have the means) pay for their relatives to stay somewhere else for a period of time(some areas are using hotels already to host those without homes or those who are vulnerable).

That wouldn't happen as much(if at all) if they did the above and maintained said procedures IN the home as well as outside the home.

They are already turning away some patients with other issues at some hospitals even WITH the lockdowns in place....also doing such things to flatten the curve means it will take much longer than usual to get past this, likely leading to other problems.

"Ask people to please wear a mask and wipe down Grandpa's plate and wear gloves when giving him food"? And how would that be enforced? You want official inspectors coming into people's homes to make sure that the elderly are properly isolated? Again, not practical in the least. Earlier in this thread someone was complaining about the "drastic measures" of an old man with the virus having to communicate with his family via iPad or something ("Poor old guy, almost at death's door, can't even see his family in person!"), when in fact, that would be the most appropriate way.

From what I understand, they've separated hospitals to deal with the virus vs other issues, which is why, for example in NYC, the extra beds (from the ship and the re-done government centre) weren't being used for the corona virus patients, rather for other issues. Makes sense to quarantine the covid19 patients.

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They probably meant that only some tiny excerpts from your posts were against the rules but I get why you got upset.

I just wanted to let you know that I liked reading your posts in this thread for your more pessimistic view, just as I like Dray2k posts for his optimism. Anyway stay safe.

Great, now we lost the voice of reason in this thread...

That might work(i.e. keep people apart and connected via technological means)....also have them stay at other sites like I said earlier(they are hosting sick people in hotels and such already, so why not the vulnerable who aren't sick?).

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No one here suggested drinking disinfectant, or not wearing masks(I said I don't want to wear one but I would if I had to...which I am doing now when I go out due to the law).
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Also(and I am being sincere with all this):

I am sorry to hear the mods/CMs contacted you(they do it to me all the time).

That said, I would hate to see you leave over this, so if you want you can use the quicktopics to post anything the mods/CMs might not like and post the rest here.

I like near everyone's posts(either because I agree with them or because they offered a differing POV).

I liked their posts and Kai2's posts, and also those of several others who chimed in.....and when someone "bows out"(either due to their own choosing or mod intervention) who was contributing to the thread it is always a loss.

That said, I will be keeping the thread going for those using it, and if anyone who wants to post anything GOG might not allow or like they can do so(if they wish) on the quicktopics linked in the OP post.

Yes, I didn't mean to belittle the contribution of others to this thread (especially since I didn't contribute anything myself), I just think that francksteel and Dray2k are, let's say on opposite sides of the spectrum on this matter and that's all I meant.

Oh, I hope you don't think I was accusing you of anything(like belittling anyone).....I was just listing some of the various contributors to the thread that posted contributions here(of course I likely missed a few as some didn't post much and I have bad memory with remembering some things[like who posted to my own threads sometimes]). :)