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This is my favourite topic
Posted December 15, 2016
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phaolo: Were you serious about giving Tauto the script?
Because he would destroy the forum with such a tool.
Please don't do it.
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Alaric.us: I have a very good life. The main reason for that is that I am surrounded by very intelligent people. This is what I am used to and this is why I am happy. The drawback is that I am not used to having to explain everything I say that has a higher level of abstraction. In this case, very well, I guess it wouldn't make things any worse.

I promised Tauto to make him a weapon to destroy the forum. I did that publicly, knowing full well that it will be seen by everyone. I also chatted with him a bit in private about it, but ended up scaring him off.

All of this is true.

The part everyone seems to miss (and this is what I am unused to) is that the offer was made with an impossible condition. I asked him to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, the identities of those who delete threads. This is not something he can do. None of you here can. Only GOG's engineers can look it up and they can already delete the forum if they so desire.

So now that we (well, some of us) are on the same page, let's try this again:

Tauto, bring me a perpetual motion machine and I will kidnap a child and eat it alive while streaming in on YouTube.

The phone number for the FBI headquarters is (202) 324-3000.
Scare me off,nah can't be bothered creating 40 new accounts according to your easy program.
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RWarehall: Breja, your idea of a "proper discussion" is you are right and everyone should listen to you.

If we really want to go back, this all started with "forum regulars" downrepping and spam reporting Alaric for providing what he thought was a useful tool. I may disagree with the usefulness of that tool (I don't feel ignore buttons ever help on a forum), but that doesn't give these people the right to harass and bully Alaric like they did.

It starts there, with the people who thought attempting to silence Alaric was okay. I have no love for Alaric spamming the damn forums with all these meaningless threads to make a point. But it does not escape me that the true origin of this problem are this cadre of "forum regulars" who think they can bully and harass others to get their way. And this is exactly what you are doing now.

It's no surprise. Pretty much every one of your cultural threads turn out the same way. Talk about people's favorite Sci-Fi series, it didn't take long to find out how intolerant you are to people who think Babylon 5 is better than Star Trek DS-9 as you basically tell them to leave the thread as if you own the forum.

You, and people like you are one of the biggest issues on this forums. The downrepping didn't really start with the scammers either. It started with forum regulars using it as a tool to silence those they disagree with, and the scammers learned from it and ran with it.

The real question is tolerance. When I see so many people calling for the removal of people and threads that are not "trolls", that is the real issue. Don't like their politics, ban them. Don't like the thread, ban them. Doesn't matter the same people like to talk politics, just they want to talk about their politics because their politics are the "right" politics. Don't like that someone creates a script that lets people ignore others, ban them. Because these people are so sure they are right, they think they have the right to play forum Gods. Abuse the system at every turn as part of their personal bullying and harassment campaign to cleanse the forums of anyone they deem undesirable.

Alaric is not one of these trolls. He tried to help. While I may disagree with his idea and script and certainly disagree with his forum spamming temper tantrum, this doesn't make him issue #1. Equally culpable (part of issue #2) are people like you Breja and the other forum regulars who make up excuses to justify your own untoward behavior aimed at eliminating your opposition at any cost.
Never thought I would say it but..................WELL SAID AND HONEST!
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Posted December 15, 2016
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phaolo: Err..guys, did you see this reply or are you all busy arguing with each other? :P

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/stop_marking_normal_poststhreads_as_spam/post322

Alaric never really meant to give the script to Tauto.

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RWarehall: [..]Alaric is not one of these trolls. He tried to help. While I may disagree with his idea and script and certainly disagree with his forum spamming temper tantrum, this doesn't make him issue #1. Equally culpable (part of issue #2) are people like you Breja and the other forum regulars who make up excuses to justify your own untoward behavior aimed at eliminating your opposition at any cost.
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phaolo: ^ this
Don't you think I knew that and played along and laughed my head off at the mass hysteria. lolz.
Everyone has been conned,now go and head butt a brick wall saps.
P.S. Breja you do it twice because you were conned the best...........lol.
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Posted December 15, 2016
Over time the ratio of interesting threads has decreased quite a lot. This forum used to be full of interesting discussion, now it's mostly just a place to troll.

Damn. Only about 1 out of 10 threads is worth reading anymore and most thread titles are awful. It has become so much a waste of time to find something worthwhile to read.
Posted December 15, 2016
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LiquidOxygen80: Jesus Christ, this thread is a fucking quagmire.
Come over here, friend(s)! Lets talk awesome with music!
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Posted December 15, 2016
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Trilarion: Over time the ratio of interesting threads has decreased quite a lot. This forum used to be full of interesting discussion, now it's mostly just a place to troll.

Damn. Only about 1 out of 10 threads is worth reading anymore and most thread titles are awful. It has become so much a waste of time to find something worthwhile to read.
Yep. I remember the days where I could waste hours reading interesting threads on here. Now it's a struggle to find even one thread worth bothering with.

To be honest I'm starting to wonder if just putting the forum down is actually the best option...
Posted December 15, 2016
If someone baits a hook, why are so many eager to catch it? It's not only just those who are trying to actually troll, but for those too who actually gets caught in it. Not to mention that throwing the term Troll these days has lost its meaning anyways, when at times even disagreements are labeled as such. Why is it so hard to just ignore troll posts, more so why is it necessary to start an argument with them? Throwing fuel to the fire isn't always the best option.

Also why do people have so big of a need to start calling names, is it the anonymous nature of being online or is it an ego thing? I've seen few people having a good conversation that's actually civil, and even though they have completely different views, there's none of the name calling to be seen. It's easier to not only read, but also to respect opinions like that.

I think it's just in our nature to blame everyone else but ourselves if things go downhill. I've had to restrain myself so many times from answering to certain types of posts, just to not get on an overly negative side of the conversation. I know now I also am partly to blame of doing that, but just thought to throw it out there as some people seems to be so fast throwing the GOG won't do anything, they never have, so why bother believing them kind of attitude, while the first ones that should do something about the forum attitude, are us.

Just my two cents, take it as you will. Lets sit down, have a cookie and have a nice holiday everyone.
Posted December 15, 2016
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Prolence: ...Why is it so hard to just ignore troll posts...
Because they sneak up on you. In order to recognize them you have to (at least partially) read them. Depending on how many of them are there, it can be a big waste of time and annoying too. In a way they are like advertisements on facebook, they just unwantedly decrease the density of interesting posts you see.

If there would be a really simple and foolproof way to ignore all troll posts, hell, I would even pay for it.
Posted December 15, 2016
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Prolence: . I know now I also am partly to blame of doing that, but just thought to throw it out there as some people seems to be so fast throwing the GOG won't do anything, they never have, so why bother believing them kind of attitude, while the first ones that should do something about the forum attitude, are us.

Just my two cents, take it as you will. Lets sit down, have a cookie and have a nice holiday everyone.
I assume you mean me, but that's actually my point. We should be fixing this, not waiting for Gog too. I'm not saying they won't fix it because they don't want to, I'm sure they do. But they don't have the resources, they didn't before and alric threatening them doesn't suddenly mean they will now. If alric goes ahead with his promise (and I'm of the belief he will have to as nothing satisfactory will have been done) then the forum is well and truly screwed.
Unfortunately I think it has gone far too far for it to be fixable by the community, there are too many sides for reconciliation to be easily reached, and I'm not sure anyone really wants to. If I were Gog I would just shut the whole thing down now; less fuss, less cost, less work.
At this point I doubt the general discussion is really making them any money any more...
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Posted December 15, 2016
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Prolence: . I know now I also am partly to blame of doing that, but just thought to throw it out there as some people seems to be so fast throwing the GOG won't do anything, they never have, so why bother believing them kind of attitude, while the first ones that should do something about the forum attitude, are us.

Just my two cents, take it as you will. Lets sit down, have a cookie and have a nice holiday everyone.
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adaliabooks: I assume you mean me, but that's actually my point. We should be fixing this, not waiting for Gog too. I'm not saying they won't fix it because they don't want to, I'm sure they do. But they don't have the resources, they didn't before and alric threatening them doesn't suddenly mean they will now. If alric goes ahead with his promise (and I'm of the belief he will have to as nothing satisfactory will have been done) then the forum is well and truly screwed.
Unfortunately I think it has gone far too far for it to be fixable by the community, there are too many sides for reconciliation to be easily reached, and I'm not sure anyone really wants to. If I were Gog I would just shut the whole thing down now; less fuss, less cost, less work.
At this point I doubt the general discussion is really making them any money any more...
The forums is already screwed.GOG could it fix it in a heartbeat-IP ban every troll and scammer. Establish some clear rules. Doesn't take many resources at all.But they won't so you'll have the same people failling for the same exact bait from the same dozen people every single day.
Post edited December 15, 2016 by Mr.Caine
Posted December 15, 2016
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Fairfox: Side note; I thinks you are one of teh smartest/most grounded peeps on here, jus' in general.
Thank you.
I don't know about that, I try my best (though I know I don't always succeed).
I love Gog, what they do, the people who run it. I used to love the community who supported it, but I don't think I can say that anymore.
I'm not saying what I'm saying to belittle them in any way, I'm saying it because I've spoken to Johny, I've spoken to Fables. I run my own business. I know what matters to them and where there attention needs to be focused. If they could fix the forum, they would have done when they upgraded everything else. It obviously wasn't cost effective then. It still isn't now.
The irony is, alaric, the one holding the metaphorical loaded gun, knows this too. In fact in the CM discussion thread he laid out clearer than most exactly why it's not worth their time or money to fix.
Maybe it is a five minute fix to do what needs to be done. But do you think if that was all it took they wouldn't have done it already?
The two options are either a) they really don't care (in which case I doubt alric allowing half the forum to be deleted will make a difference) or b) it's more complicated than that and they can't do it.
Either way it doesn't end the way he wants and we all lose out.

Will Gog fix the forum?
Eventually, yes, I'm sure they will. But I doubt it will be soon or even Soon™ as it is in no way a priority.
Will fixing the forum make everyone happy?
Hell no. Whatever they do, someone will complain; because features have been added or lost, because posts haven't transferred over, because it's moderated or not moderated.
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Mr.Caine: The forums is already screwed.GOG could it fix it in a heartbeat-IP ban every troll and scammer. Establish some clear rules. Doesn't take many resources at all.But they won't so you'll have the same people failling for the same exact bait from the same dozen people every single day.
And that sounds fair enough to start with, but who's a troll?
Is alaric?
Breja, tinyE?
Are Tauto and Kleetus trolls?
Am I, or crew or FairFox for even participating in this discussion?
Is dtgreene or RWarehall?

I'm fairly sure you'll find at least one user who will claim each person on that list is a troll and needs banned. And there are another dozen people who will leave just because people are being banned, and others who might leave depending on who is banned.
And maybe that is the best option, but it doesn't really leave much of a community behind.
Post edited December 15, 2016 by adaliabooks
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Prolence: ...Why is it so hard to just ignore troll posts...
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Trilarion: Because they sneak up on you. In order to recognize them you have to (at least partially) read them. Depending on how many of them are there, it can be a big waste of time and annoying too. In a way they are like advertisements on facebook, they just unwantedly decrease the density of interesting posts you see.

If there would be a really simple and foolproof way to ignore all troll posts, hell, I would even pay for it.
That could be broadened to the question that what is a waste of time in general, for some it's taking part of silly threads while to others it's trying to talk about real world issues on a forum.

I do agree that it can be hard to quickly identify, but I also do think, that it's relatively easy to notice true troll posts from the ones that are really thinking how they do. Then it wouldn't be trolling and just a difference in opinion, but it can feel as a waste of time to the other person. So in that regard you give a fair point, if I understood it right.

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Prolence: . I know now I also am partly to blame of doing that, but just thought to throw it out there as some people seems to be so fast throwing the GOG won't do anything, they never have, so why bother believing them kind of attitude, while the first ones that should do something about the forum attitude, are us.

Just my two cents, take it as you will. Lets sit down, have a cookie and have a nice holiday everyone.
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adaliabooks: I assume you mean me, but that's actually my point. We should be fixing this, not waiting for Gog too. I'm not saying they won't fix it because they don't want to, I'm sure they do. But they don't have the resources, they didn't before and alric threatening them doesn't suddenly mean they will now. If alric goes ahead with his promise (and I'm of the belief he will have to as nothing satisfactory will have been done) then the forum is well and truly screwed.
Unfortunately I think it has gone far too far for it to be fixable by the community, there are too many sides for reconciliation to be easily reached, and I'm not sure anyone really wants to. If I were Gog I would just shut the whole thing down now; less fuss, less cost, less work.
At this point I doubt the general discussion is really making them any money any more...
I noticed you're throwing that kinda attitude yes, but I also meant you when I talked about having civil conversations and I do agree on a lot of what you say.

That's also a fair point, and I'm not sure how much we can do. I also like to believe it's never too late starting to fix something, even if it wouldn't completely take negatives away (talking about forum exclusively, not to be mistaken with real world problems). it could make a whole lot easier for newer people to join if the overall attitude would be more positive. I do believe people like you are more towards the solution than towards the actual problem, even if I necessarily don't agree on everything.
Posted December 15, 2016
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adaliabooks: <snip>
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Fairfox: Side note; I thinks you are one of teh smartest/most grounded peeps on here, jus' in general.
I'd like to echo this. Adalia has managed to keep his head and be a solid voice of reason in not only this, but other conflicts as well.
Posted December 15, 2016
So my rep is taking a hit since I got into an argument with a few people. This is sad. This is why the forum is falling apart. "if you don't agree with what us select few say, there will be consequences". These consequences have followed me outside this forum too. is sad, really.

I do not regret starting this thread though, even though I lost some friends, it only led me to see their true colors. And honestly, I wish them the best and that whatever hurt they have in their hearts gets mended.

I only hope that people on all sides of this stupid take a step back and realize that maybe the problem isn't everyone else, maybe it's them.

peace!
Posted December 15, 2016
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Fairfox: Side note; I thinks you are one of teh smartest/most grounded peeps on here, jus' in general.
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adaliabooks: Thank you.
I don't know about that, I try my best (though I know I don't always succeed).
I love Gog, what they do, the people who run it. I used to love the community who supported it, but I don't think I can say that anymore.
I'm not saying what I'm saying to belittle them in any way, I'm saying it because I've spoken to Johny, I've spoken to Fables. I run my own business. I know what matters to them and where there attention needs to be focused. If they could fix the forum, they would have done when they upgraded everything else. It obviously wasn't cost effective then. It still isn't now.
The irony is, alaric, the one holding the metaphorical loaded gun, knows this too. In fact in the CM discussion thread he laid out clearer than most exactly why it's not worth their time or money to fix.
Maybe it is a five minute fix to do what needs to be done. But do you think if that was all it took they wouldn't have done it already?
The two options are either a) they really don't care (in which case I doubt alric allowing half the forum to be deleted will make a difference) or b) it's more complicated than that and they can't do it.
Either way it doesn't end the way he wants and we all lose out.

Will Gog fix the forum?
Eventually, yes, I'm sure they will. But I doubt it will be soon or even Soon™ as it is in no way a priority.
Will fixing the forum make everyone happy?
Hell no. Whatever they do, someone will complain; because features have been added or lost, because posts haven't transferred over, because it's moderated or not moderated.
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Mr.Caine: The forums is already screwed.GOG could it fix it in a heartbeat-IP ban every troll and scammer. Establish some clear rules. Doesn't take many resources at all.But they won't so you'll have the same people failling for the same exact bait from the same dozen people every single day.
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adaliabooks: And that sounds fair enough to start with, but who's a troll?
Is alaric?
Breja, tinyE?
Are Tauto and Kleetus trolls?
Am I, or crew or FairFox for even participating in this discussion?
Is dtgreene or RWarehall?
There is a very very clear difference between harassing/stalking users,derailing threads and spamming your bait every single day versus just having some strong opinions or a weird sense of humor.
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